It is currently Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:27 pm

All times are UTC - 7 hours



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 262 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 ... 18  Next
Go to page Previous  1 ... 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 ... 18  Next
Author Message
Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:48 pm
Offline
Amateur
Amateur

Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:07 pm
Posts: 121
It fixed it for my Mustang V head with a 2 x 12 cab with EV12M-Ls.

Bo :D


Top
Profile
Fender Play Winter Sale 2020
Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:36 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:30 am
Posts: 70
Gentlemen(and Ladies),having said that I can't hear that tail-end distortion on my M5 anymore I certainly can't, THROUGH HEADPHONES , but this morning I hooked -up my Epiphone BJ cabs(16ohm ea) and it was there again with slight phase/wah effect.
So I coupled my HRD speaker to the M5 and it was still there.I then took a split from the fx out then to power amp in of my HRD and......gone,no fizz fuzz fozz.If the problem is in the power amp section of the M5 it could be a big problem.Can anyone else try my experiment please?


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:07 am
Offline
Amateur
Amateur

Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:07 pm
Posts: 121
GT george wrote:
Gentlemen(and Ladies),having said that I can't hear that tail-end distortion on my M5 anymore I certainly can't, THROUGH HEADPHONES , but this morning I hooked -up my Epiphone BJ cabs(16ohm ea) and it was there again with slight phase/wah effect.
So I coupled my HRD speaker to the M5 and it was still there.I then took a split from the fx out then to power amp in of my HRD and......gone,no fizz fuzz fozz.If the problem is in the power amp section of the M5 it could be a big problem.Can anyone else try my experiment please?



Well, I'm using the MV head's power amp out into the 2x12 EV12M-L's with no problems.

So I tried the FX out into a CARVIN Tube 100 stereo amp (guitar amp - no preamp) into the 2x12 EV12M-l's and a single 12" Vintage 30 and still no fizz. Guess I'm just lucky!?

Have you tried this with different pickup?

Really don't know what to say as some still seem to have it and others don't>

Bo


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:05 am
Offline
Amateur
Amateur

Joined: Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:48 pm
Posts: 183
Gary Baker wrote:
Really don't know what to say as some still seem to have it and others don't

In the specific case power amp case above, a hypothesis: maybe this is in fact two separate problems. The firmware solves the firmware related issue, but the amp is slightly defective and has in addition a latent physical problem.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:30 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:29 pm
Posts: 95
Location: Croatia
mpr wrote:
In the specific case power amp case above, a hypothesis: maybe this is in fact two separate problems. The firmware solves the firmware related issue, but the amp is slightly defective and has in addition a latent physical problem.


Might be.
Firmware update solved fuzzing on my MI, but it does have a background hum/buzz when I put it on a desk near a laptop with wireless powered on. The frequency of the hum changes whenever something happens on laptop. For example when file manager dialog pops out, even if guitar cable and USB cable are unplugged.
When I take amp to another room it doesn't hum.
Could it be that you have some EM interference that generates the fuzz/buzz/hum in the amp?


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:08 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:01 pm
Posts: 5
mpr wrote:
In the specific case power amp case above, a hypothesis: maybe this is in fact two separate problems. The firmware solves the firmware related issue, but the amp is slightly defective and has in addition a latent physical problem.


That's the conclusion I've arrived at today. I've had my Mustang V since last Friday. One of the attractions was using it as a power amp only going direct into the Return jacks. The odd buzz you get when using the amp as intended (into through the preamp-->speaker outs to speakers) is replicated when you bypass the Mustang preamp and go into the power amps direct. I can't hear this noise when using headphones.

To doublecheck, I've used three different pairs of headphones (Sony in ear headphones right up to AKG headphones) and the buzz is not there. When using the Mustang preamp and taking the speaker outs to amp cabinets, I have used five different speakers ranging from Jensen to Celestion to Weber and all revealed the buzz. Finally I've used an old Tubeworks preamp and gone direct into the power amps: the buzz was there. I swapped the preamp and simply used a Lexicon MPX500 as a preamp and took stereo outs from that into the Mustang V and listened through the speakers: the buzz was there.

I have not updated the firmware yet. I will do so and see if that makes a difference and then report back on this thread tomorrow. I can't see how firmware would solve the problem though. It does point to a power amp issue.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:01 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:31 am
Posts: 86
I'm using a GT-10 in to the Mustang 3 FX return and don't hear any problems. I'm using the latest firmware but I didn't use it this way with the previous firmware.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:09 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:49 pm
Posts: 26
vintagevibe wrote:
I'm using a GT-10 in to the Mustang 3 FX return and don't hear any problems. I'm using the latest firmware but I didn't use it this way with the previous firmware.


The gt10 bypasses the pre-amp... so you won't have any of those problems when plugging into the fx return..... :)


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:40 am
Offline
Amateur
Amateur

Joined: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:55 am
Posts: 120
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Hi Vintagevibe,

Are you plugging the guitar into the GT10 or the MIII 's input ?.
Guess it must be into GT10 to avoid the MIII preamp, so what
benefit is obtained from the amps modelling presets ?

I'm using a Zoom GFX-5 with built-in Volume Pedal in the Send/Return
mode and guitar into the M III input, reducing it's Gain/Volume/Master
levels for cleanest sound and boosting the output from the GFX5 enough
to balance the MIII 's power output.
Amp is updated to V 1.6 Beta. Sounds good at home levels. No noises yet.
But the weekend's bigger gigs will test it's metal - to coin a phrase.
Let's see if it can do it.

Right now I'm setting up the GFX-5 for neutral tonal alteration but
retaining the plus of it's Amp modelling, FX , Reverb and Delay for
even more options. Waiting for the 4 Button Footswitch to add
to the 2 Button Footswitch for even more chaos ! :shock:

Jim


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:00 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:01 pm
Posts: 5
Alright, my morning results...

Setups that bypass the power amps:

Guitar--> Mustang preamp -->headphones = no strange undertone.

Guitar--> Mustang preamp -->Effects send to two different solid state amps = a little of that undertone but very faint.

Guitar--> external preamp -->Mustang Effects Return--> headphones = No undertone.

Setups that don't bypass the power amps:

Guitar--> Mustang preamp --> Mustang power amps out to 2x12" speaker cabinet = horrible buzz

Guitar--> external preamp -->Mustang Effects Return-->out to 2x12" speaker cabinet = undertone is clear and very distinct.

How would I describe the horrible noise? Like a digital artifact. It reminds me of an old JC-120 I had where the chorus was a bit dodgy. When a single note was played, there was the harmonic undertone as the note decayed out.

I still haven't updated the firmware to the latest version. Given that some of my tests have totally bypassed the Mustang preamp and gone direct into the power section, it's my belief that there is something not quite right with the power amp section. I am going to return my Fender Mustang V head to the dealer which is a tremendous shame. The digital modelling is very good but the odd noise is totally annoying and to have it there with the Mustang preamp bypassed means you can't use the amp head as a power amp only.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:33 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:33 am
Posts: 38
Interesting tests you guys have done!!
I am going to return my Mustang V also, unless Fender offers a real solution in a new firmware format. Soon please! I have 7 days left if I want my money back, otherwise it will be a guarantee operation of sending new and old devices back and forth = more trouble. I have to think what I'm going to do.

What a shame!! :(


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:53 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:01 pm
Posts: 5
muzak wrote:
Interesting tests you guys have done!!
I am going to return my Mustang V also, unless Fender offers a real solution in a new firmware format. Soon please! I have 7 days left if I want my money back, otherwise it will be a guarantee operation of sending new and old devices back and forth = more trouble. I have to think what I'm going to do.

What a shame!! :(


It is a shame. I emailed my dealer today to get a Returns form sent to me. There's no doubt that Fender have created some amp models that are very good to play. The feel of them is a step above the Valvetronix amps for instance. The problem points to hardware in my opinion and not a software issue for the most part when it comes to the Mustang V.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:37 am
Offline
Fender Staff
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:12 pm
Posts: 4396
Hey All,

Again I apologize that some of you are still experiencing issues.

HeartfeltDawn - Very interesting tests. Would you mind telling us what guitar was used? I'd like to see if we can reproduce that behavior here.

I find it very interesting that some users are hearing an improvement and some are not. Either way, I want to reassure you that we are dedicated to resolving any issues with any of the FUSE-compatible amps. A lot of the problems come down to software, which is easy to fix compared to actual hardware issues.

_________________
Fender Technology Support Lab
Fender Musical Instruments Corporation
TSL@Fender.com
(800) 856-9801


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:16 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:30 am
Posts: 70
I found that with humbuckers it's even worse(cause they're louder).A totally un-natural sound.I appreciate the efforts at Fender and understand it's a brand new product but there are so many new technology products coming out which haven't been tested well enough before release to public and some of the mud that gets slung due to to the problems, will stick.At least you guys in the U.S. have got a money back guarantee, we here in Italy have got a 2 year warranty and that's it.I'm so glad I bought my HRD in Germany(30 days + 3 years), and I'm proud to have seemingly pin-pointed the problem area before anyone else.This is called the"scientific method" as opposed to the "rythm method" which just got me into heaps of trouble :) Let's wish Loren and the team all the best to sort this one out!!


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Obnoxius tail end distortion
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:21 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:01 pm
Posts: 5
Loren Howard - Fender wrote:
Hey All,

Again I apologize that some of you are still experiencing issues.

HeartfeltDawn - Very interesting tests. Would you mind telling us what guitar was used? I'd like to see if we can reproduce that behavior here.

I find it very interesting that some users are hearing an improvement and some are not. Either way, I want to reassure you that we are dedicated to resolving any issues with any of the FUSE-compatible amps. A lot of the problems come down to software, which is easy to fix compared to actual hardware issues.


Loren, I was using an Epiphone Dot loaded with Bare Knuckle Stormy Monday humbuckers. They're quite low powered as 'buckers go.

For my tests, I used a Tubeworks Real Tube II as my external preamp. Although not technically a preamp, I also substituted a Lexicon MPX500 for the Real Tube. Both preamps produced the same results as detailed previously.

I'm not going to diss Fender if there is a hardware problem with the amp. As technology keeps advancing, we see more and more companies having problems that crop up after release. Games consoles, cars, amps, all sorts. What impresses me is how Fender have reacted on these forums and produced updated firmware. That's a whole lot better than, say, some companies did in the past when it came to bugs with DAW software.

I'm interested to see what happens and if a fault can be found with the Mustang V. Loren, the actual premise and software on the Mustang has really impressed me. The feel of the amps is very good. Nothing in this price bracket comes close to them in my opinion. Iron out a few flaws and you've got one cracking amp there.


Top
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 262 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 ... 18  Next
Go to page Previous  1 ... 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 ... 18  Next

All times are UTC - 7 hours

Fender Play Winter Sale 2020

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: