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Post subject: Re: I'm Dying to see the New Mustangs in action
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:11 am
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I have not yet found a Music Store in the Seattle area with one of the new Mustangs in stock yet. GC said that they should be in on Tuesday or Thursday.

I'd love to see a video demo, and I am dying to try one next to a Mustang II just to see the difference.

I sold some gear and was about to buy a Mustang II last week when I heard that the III, IV and V were coming out. If the III sounds as good as the II at low volumes, I am buying a III, if not, I have to stick with the II. I just knew that if I bought the II this week, I would be wondering if the III was so much better.

If Fender or any consumer posts a demo on youtube, it would tide me over until I can actually pick one up. Right now, I'm ampless and looking forward to plugging into a Mustang.

If you have one... Post those videos!!! :D :mrgreen: Post those reviews!!!


Well, I don't have a video review for you, but I just created an account on here to share my thoughts on it. I just picked up a Mustang III at Guitar Center yesterday here in Indianapolis, the just got them in stock, they had to get it from the back and unbox it so I could try it out. I haven't played a Mustang II so I can't compare them directly as far as the sound goes. I wasn't considering the Mustang II because I wanted something a little bit more powerful yet still small enough to keep out in my office all the time. I had pretty much decided on the VOX Valvetronix 80+ until Fender announced the release of the Mustang III. It's 100 bucks cheaper than the VOX and has an effects loop, includes the footswitch, and with the included software it's just a great value. I can't believe they aren't charging more for these!

If you're considering the Mustang II vs the III, here's my 2 cents. At $299, the Mustang III is still a steal for what you get. It's not much larger than the II so it doesn't take up too much space and is still lightweight. Advantages over the II for me are: 100 watt, effects loop, included 2 button footswitch, mid and reverb knobs on the amp, and the LCD screen makes editing things on the amp MUCH easier. I'd say get the III just for the LCD screen alone. You don't even really have to hook it up to your computer if you don't want to, I find it easier to edit directly on the amp. On the Mustang II, it looked a bit confusing to me on how to edit the effects.

Having said that, it all depends on what you want to use it for. I wanted something small enough to keep out all the time and big enough to take with me to band practice. If you are buying something that will never leave your bedroom then I'd consider the II if you don't care about the other features.

As for the sound, I've been very impressed. For a solid state modeling amp, it is still very responsive to your playing dynamics and the amps respond pretty realistically (turn down my guitar volume for clean, turn it up and get a nice breakup distortion). I can already see that people who spend some time working with these amps will be rewarded with some very workable tones. I'd recommend starting off with the 88-99 presets when you try it out in the store (these are just the basic amp models with no effects turned on).

Anyways, sorry for the long winded response but I'm so happy with this purchase, I can't wait to take it to band practice and try it out some more. Now go out there and try this thing out! Enjoy!


Doug, thanks for your reply. if you are willing, I'd love to know how the amp sounds at very low volumes. In other words, can I get good distortion/overdriven sounds while the kids are asleep?

I would be perfectly happy owning the Mustang II since I don't gig with my amp. But with all of the cool features on the III, I'd love to have the lcd screen, the mid control, the dedicated reverb control and foot pedal etc.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.


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Post subject: Re: I'm Dying to see the New Mustangs in action
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:07 am
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Here's another NAMM '11 Mustang IV clip - same guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv1S7gyBJb8


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Post subject: Re: I'm Dying to see the New Mustangs in action
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:56 am
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lesbeat wrote:
Here's another NAMM '11 Mustang IV clip - same guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv1S7gyBJb8


Don't know if the III to V have the same digital artefacts issue (kind of unpleasant distortion) with the clean presets like the Twin but the IV in this clip sounds killer. Very responsive, cleans-up very well, great tone.

Thanks for posting this one lesbeat :)


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Post subject: Re: I'm Dying to see the New Mustangs in action
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:06 pm
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He makes a great point about the responsiveness and dynamics that I've noticed myself: "When playing with a whole variety of backing tracks, you can just go with one tone over all of them. Since you can go from awesome clean to really pissed-off with one setting."


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Post subject: Re: I'm Dying to see the New Mustangs in action
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:19 pm
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So true Musicmaster and thanks lesbeat ... Its getting populated now :P

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Post subject: Re: I'm Dying to see the New Mustangs in action
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:52 pm
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Another one available on the Fender site:
http://www.fender.com/themes/GLOBAL/ajax/fancybox_edgecast.php?video=products/guitar_amplifiers/mustang/Fender_2010_Mustang_III-V_Intro_H264.mp4


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Post subject: Re: I'm Dying to see the New Mustangs in action
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:18 pm
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Excellent video Strat,
Now that's some good quality sound and some great Amp views .. Thanks. Notice The 4 button pedal LCD blinks... but maybe its blinking with the effect.. like it does on the amps itself... I dont care .. (then why did i mention it lol) .. These Amps are Kings .. wish the name wasn't Musatng tho ..but I guess its a marketing strategic cause you search up mustang and find a billion hits being the fender guitar and the ford cars lol.

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Post subject: Re: I'm Dying to see the New Mustangs in action
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:10 pm
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Cool video, but I am kind of bummed at the direction that it goes. I still think that Fender is fooling itself by marketing the Mustang as the "Fender amp that can play metal." I actually think that the heavy tones are the worst tones on the amp, and that the strength of the Mustang I and II has been the faithful and strong reproduction of some great classic fender amps with Blues tones, and Classic Rock Tones. (It's not going to take the place of a Bassman, DRRI, or even a Blues Jr.) but it replicates the tones very very well for practice.

Not that Fender asked me, but if I produced the video, sure I'd put a clip of that shredder tapping out a cool sound. But I'd get some decent guitarists playing some cool classic and blues riffs to show that you can get some amazing vintage tones out of a modeling amp. I'm kind of disappointed by the mid level guitar playing in the clip. I'd rather have someone show me exactly how amazing these amps can sound.

I really think that if all the Mustang 1 had was a great Fender Bassman Tone and nothing else, there would be a market for it. Boss is selling the Bassman pedal that doesn't even sound quite as authentic as the Mustang's version of the bassman for $139 while the Mustang 1 is $99. IMHO.


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Post subject: Re: I'm Dying to see the New Mustangs in action
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:07 pm
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Everybody is different. I happen to MORE THAN LOVE these Metal/Sonic heavier
distorted tones. I find they were put together amazingly well. The fact I can change my moods on the fly with the flick of a dial ..blows me away.

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Post subject: Re: I'm Dying to see the New Mustangs in action
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:14 pm
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Hi,i'am the new guy here and just bought the mustang I and before i give you my opinion of it let me give you some of my knowledge on amp modeling in general,i like to experiment with different brands of amp modeling technology,i have line 6 spider I,II and III amps,peavey vypyr 15 and 30 and i also have a collection of table top and floorboard type amp modeling processors,for exsample,behringer v-amp2,v-tone gdi21,digitech gnx3,korg ax1500g,ect...,i also post my opinions on other community forums and i like to share my knowledge and tips with everyone,in a nutshell i find my best tones by combining my amp modeling amps and processors in different ways just to let everyone know where i'am coming from.i would say the mustang I has some very good amp modeling and good tones for what it is as a small practice amp,now i'am going to give everyone a good tip:when i hooked up my mustang I to my vypyr 30(i used a 3.5mm male stereo to male stereo cable)to connect from the mustangs headphone out to my vypyrs aux line input the tone i got out of this setup was just fantastic,i got the best metal tones that i have ever heard and the fender cleans sounded very close to the original amps that they model,the tones were much better than the vypyrs amp models alone and made the mustang sound like a toy amp if used just by itself(sorry,no offense to anyone or fender)but that's how good it really sounded,you could also try to hook up your mustang to a stereo power amp and then into a 4x12 cab,i'am sure this would also sound very good,let me know if anyone gives this setup a try?sorry for the long post.


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Post subject: Re: I'm Dying to see the New Mustangs in action
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:11 pm
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Funny you mention that ..cause at least two other's said the exact same thing which makes me wonder why??? Whats with this headphones out thing that makes it sound so much better then stock ... like what ohms is it.. 32 ? i still don't know ..and what if we ran the headphones out to the actual mustang speaker ..would it make it even better sounding ? .. I've only tried a different speaker w/o success ...but that was hooking it up in the regular way... through the back cept my Wizard speaker was 16 ohms so maybe that's why I didn't notice much.

Seems this headphone out should of been connected to the back of the Amp in the first place :o) and Holy macro ..u have one massive collection of goodies there ..I'm glad to hear the mustang did some justice ...and like you say ..metal tones are killer .. . frigs, you turn the amp to 5 or 6 and ur in Hendrix feed-back heaven.

I'm pretty sure I have one of those end connectors... I'm going to try that into this dusty Marshall Amp I almost forgot about. Pretty sure it had a few connection things on it ..i hope.

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Post subject: Re: I'm Dying to see the New Mustangs in action
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:55 am
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aLinux,let me explain how this works,on your mustang or any other modeling amp that has a headphone output your guitar signal path is going through the pre amp section of your mustang not the power amp section(just like the headphone output on a cd or mp3 player for example),the pre amp output is around 2 volts and is measured in milli-watts and not in a higher wattage rating that would be able to power your mustangs speaker or any other speaker,and when the mustangs headphone output is connected to my vypyrs aux input the vypyrs amp modeling section is bypassed(so the only control i have on the amp is the master volume) and the signal goes straight into the power amp section giving me a more natural frequency response(almost like going through a p.a. system or a hi-fi system but with a limited high and low end,it is still is the perfect frequency range for guitars and this is why it sounds so good with this type of setup,the amp models from the mustang sound much more realistic and natural sounding,i hope this helps you understand how this all works.


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Post subject: Re: I'm Dying to see the New Mustangs in action
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:47 am
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Great discussion here. I like it.

Just that two things must be kept in my mind IMHO:

A modeler will always be what it is, a modeler and not the real thing.
The purpose of a modeler is for versatility. If you want ONE tone, THE tone, get the real thing.

Don't ask too much from budget amps which are the Mustangs. These amps are not built with the Professionnals needs and expectation in mind. Think of it again. You can get a Mustang I for as low as 75$.

The rest is marketing. In this video, I think Fender want to emphasis (and make it clear)that this line of amp is built for and is accessible to the mass. See, the scale is descending: Cyber-Twin, Cyber-Deluxe, G-Dec and now the Mustang. In other words A Cyber-Twin was over 1500$ and now a Mustang is 75$.

The keyword with the Mustang is: FUN! You can have fun now :!:


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Post subject: Re: I'm Dying to see the New Mustangs in action
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:55 pm
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MetalMan,
That makes perfect sense to me now. Thanks for the wonderful explanation. I'm a noob after-all :o) and was starting to wonder about this stuff. Thanks.

StratQuebec,
I couldn't of said it better. You're exactly rite. Last night I finally decided to throw this new speaker I got into the Tube Amp and holy bejeebers I wasn't expecting this!!! my Tube Amp is actually usable to me now ..the sound killed me .. So later-on, and to be sure, I plugged into the Mustang ..no-where close did it come but all along it was beating out my Tube Amp until the speaker change .. I still love the Mustang for what you say, Fun. I immediately clicked over the Metal 2000 (green) and that's definitely something the my Tube Amp can't do w/o spending tons on pedals and what-not, not-to-mention, trying to match them up to the Amp is another thing. Cheap MII = Fun ... Tube Amp = Damn Real

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Post subject: Re: I'm Dying to see the New Mustangs in action
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:50 am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CymXBgjdzE&feature=sub

Here's another great clip from Guitarworld at NAMM showcasing the new G-Decs and Mustangs. They get some really cool sounds in a hurry. The G-DEC's sound really cool and so does the short clip of the Mustang IV.


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