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Post subject: Princeton 65 (reverb) and 65 twin revrb modelling
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:07 pm
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I went looking for the manuals for the amp models contained in Fuse and noticed that neither of these amps originally have a drive/gain knob. What should the gain settings be set to for an authentic sound.
I also noticed that the 57 deluxe and champ have far more controls in the model than they did originally- couldn't the amps have been modelled more authentically in the fuse software? Maybe sometimes more is less?
Not that I'm complaining but sometimes we just crave the simplicity to plug into a clean amp and play!

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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 (reverb) and 65 twin revrb modelling
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:14 pm
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The drive knob simulates turning the volume up on the vintage amp. On vintage amps, you turn up the volume and you gradually get more and more tube distortion.

The volume knob on a modeling amp/software just changes the volume without affecting the tone.

In other words, you adjust the drive knob anyway you want and its still "authentic"


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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 (reverb) and 65 twin revrb modelling
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:17 pm
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Thanks, still getting to grips with this amp lark. I am now realising that the volume dial = preamp and the master volume = power amp on some of the models. Wont having the preamp volume higher result in too much gain/distortion for those older amp models?

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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 (reverb) and 65 twin revrb modelling
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:38 pm
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no no ..there authentic :o) Those amps have two or more separate channels. Mustangs just have one :)

Gain knob on ZERO would be running those Amps the way they were originaly intended. The Gain knob is added in because most people wanted more Gain with say Bassmans, Deluxe, Champ, etc .. so they run a tiny patch cord into the two input instrument jacks creating extra bluesy Tube Gain/Distortion from the other channel.. Since we cant actually do that with the Mustang ..Fender kindy simulated the original patch cord trick... by adding the Gain knob in place those instrument jacks.

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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 (reverb) and 65 twin revrb modelling
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:01 am
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Yep, gain=0 and middle=5 for "authentic" or "vintage" tone.
Yes middle because a Princeton Reverb, for example has no middle knob but in fuse the added one. So on 5 it should be neutral.


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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 (reverb) and 65 twin revrb modelling
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:43 am
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Oh yeah ... I didn't notice that .. its kinda like these Mustang I's and II's then :O)

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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 (reverb) and 65 twin revrb modelling
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:21 am
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Thanks, haviong some success getting the tones I want with the older amp models now- will experiment with the "second channel"- the biggest problem I now have is getting any sort of tone out of the supersonic, metal 2000 or American 90's that doesn't sound like gravel- the distortion seems to be built into the preamp circuit without any additional gain? Also the tone seems very flat with all the tone knobs set to neutral. Very quiet with the gain turned down to get any reasonably clean tones, have to have the master volume dial at the top end to hear any reasonable volume with these models also.

Maybe I just need to spend a few evenings playing around with the dry settings to find what I'm looking for.

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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 (reverb) and 65 twin revrb modelling
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:26 am
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Good to hear. Not sure if you updated to the latest firmware, but maybe do that. Since
I updated, most Fender presets sounded 10x better to me. Good luck.

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