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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:10 pm
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I took my Mustang II to rehearsal last night and it didn't do as well as I thought. We don't play real loud but the speaker just wasn't cutting it(brittle). Would changing the speaker void the warranty?
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:41 pm
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Better edit your post before the dayshift gets here! :lol:


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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:45 am
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That definitely will void your warranty. Do you suspect there is something wrong with the speaker on your amp?

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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:10 pm
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Thanks for the reply. I don't think there is anything wrong with the speaker. It's just not as good as some other speakers I own. Why would changing out the speaker void my warranty if it was the same ohms and power rating? Just wondering??? I really like this amp and thought I might be able to use it live. It just gets brittle at higher volumes. It has been my observation that a good clean sounding speaker is essential for modeling in a live situation.
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:39 pm
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Most electronic flaws will appear right away, if you leave the amp on overnight in a typical room temperature. Bad switches/knobs/buttons
usually are bad right away, or fine until crushed like a bug by
a clumsy drummer. Considering, the low price, and using static-sensitive
procedures when switching speakers, I would not worry about losing the warranty, its more important to enjoy the amp with the speaker setup
that meets your needs.
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:55 pm
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The speaker in the Mustang amps is specially designed to work with the amp settings and cabinet to give the sound it's flavour and make the amp settings and amp emulations work. Switching out the speaker - besides voiding the warranty - will probably make it sound off. If the speaker is good and sounds right at lower volumes but not loud enough for your band i would suggest trying to mic the amp and trying to connect it through your P/A to get more volume out front. I'd try this before changing out the speaker - just since it will change the sound of the amp and might make it lose some of it's character. I think Fender put a lot of thought into engineering this so the speaker, amp emulations and cab design works together and changing these around is really a recipe to lose that and end up with a half-way workaround for the lack of volume. JMHO.


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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:53 pm
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This is a two-way FRFR speaker: full range/flat response custom matched to the amp. Not a guitar amp speaker. Aka: hi-fi speaker/PA speaker. It requires three leads: positive, negative and ground. Good luck trying to match or better it. Casting about in the dark.

You'd be better off (and wouldn't be violating the warranty) instead of ending up with some $100 exotic replacement speaker, just spending the money on something like a Kustom 100 watt powered 12" speaker with horn that you can drive off your headphone/line out. It's about $120 and I guarantee you'll never complain about brittle again.

Once you're in modeling land, inexpensive powered frfr PA cabs and keyboard amps are your friend. Guitar speakers are your enemy.

Or just run it through your PA.


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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:45 pm
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Well said Musicmaster2. I highly recommend what you are suggesting. I had suggested putting a mic in front of the Mustang II and then putting that into the P/A but using a powered speaker would probably be even better - plus you would be able to control the sound right there at your fingers instead of at the P/A. Good suggestion - in fact i just saw a Kustom 15 inch powered speaker for around $149 - not much more than a high end speaker (Celestion).


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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:22 pm
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Those new powered Kustom cabs over at Musicians Friend are quite a deal. And exactly what a pre-rendered tone needs to get projected out without additional coloring. But there's nothing wrong with either miking or the line out into a PA. It's all good.


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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:33 pm
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Powered Kustom cabs. Good thought! The 12" is only $119 and 100 watts. And just like the Mustang, it's in a small, easily portable cabinet. Net price for my Mustang I and Kustom powered cab, would be about the same as if I had bought the Mustang II. Hmm. Nice add-on. Plus, they daisy chain so I could add more if I want.

Thanks for the idea.

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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:52 pm
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When you consider the expense and hassle of a speaker upgrade, made all the more complicated by the fact that you don't want a guitar speaker in there, the Kustom solution is a good option. You could go without on a small gig, and just add it for larger venues. I bet it'd sound AWESOME!

No warranty issues, and a choice of the 12 or 15 cabs depending on your needs and portability factor. Or the dual 15s for big concerts. Or dual-dual 15's in stereo for big outdoor venues. Sure gives you lots of neat ways to go.


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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:13 pm
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Thanks all for the replies.

Sixline: I am very tempted to do as you suggested. I may wait it out and see if someone else does it and how it works out.

Musicmaster2: Our sound guy has some Mackie powered boxes that we seldom use. I will try one and see. I was hoping to carry less poundage(66 Pro-Reverb with JBLs=Hernia). My Pro is 40 watts so I thought maybe the Mustang II would be somewhat equal in power(never go past 3 on the Pro) and would be useable as is for a replacement. Nowhere near. I even disconnected one of the JBLs to get a closer comparison. The Pro beat the Mustang hands down for power and tone.
As far as the speaker being matched to the amp. What about the 8" speaker in the Mustang I. Same amp, different speaker, different cabinet. I am not saying that Fender didn't give some thought into what speaker to use. I don't think the sounds were designed around the speaker & cab that is being used. If anyone has any info on the 12" speaker used, I would appreciate getting it(manufacturer, model, etc...).
Love this amp at low volume and will keep it. I was just hoping for a better live/loud experience.


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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:18 pm
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Tube and solid state wattage ratings are completely different animals. The Mustang II volume at 40 SS watts is about equal to a Blues Junior or a Super Champ XD (15 watts of tube power). A Pro Reverb is much louder. Tube amps allow for transients that far exceed what a SS amp can do.

100 SS watts is about equal to 40 tube amp watts. I'd guess the Kustom 12" at 100 watts driven by your Mustang would be in the ballpark of what your Pro Rev could crank out on its own.


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