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Post subject: Can you get Voice 3 from the Super Champ XD on the Mustang?
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:29 pm
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The "High gain Tweed" sound was my favourite. It was so squishy and nice, almost getting into Orange amp kinda territory.

But the Mustang is more of a straight up modeler modelling specific amps. I don't know if you can do it.

Does the Overdrive pedal work as a clean boost with the gain down? If so that would open the Sonic options quite a lot.


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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:53 pm
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The XD uses the old-gen modeling, the Mustangs (and the G-DEC 3s) Cyber Engine II. Never the twains shall meet. But you can certainly twiddle and approximate to taste. I'm sure you can get close.


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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:29 pm
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If someone can demonstrate to me that it can, I'll buy one :D


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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:27 pm
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Nobody in your audience is going to walk away because the twang
wasn't Sunn or Tweed, or Marshall enough, if you play well, with songs fitting your audience, they'll stay. Modeling amps and software
exist, and mere mortals can cover a vast spectrum of sound for a
fraction of the traditional hardware price. I'm not hearing gaps in
the Mustang sound, and combined with freely available software,
let alone the vast commercial apps, there's no reason to worry about
missing any given sound, as the new ones you make will be even better.
Cheers :)


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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:05 am
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Exactly. No matter what they CALL these different models from the Cyber II-based products, they're all coming from the same core tech. There's a ton of overlap. And some of the nomenclature is arbitrary. Borderline meaningless.

Your ears define the tones you like. Make up your own cool names for em. Because that what the guy at Fender did, and he didn't have your set of ears.

The SCXD is coming from Gen I tech, it has a tube preamp and a tube power amp. Apples and oranges. Like trying to compare a Strat to an LP.

Fact is Cyber I sounds awesome with the 6V6s. I'm not selling my SCXD anytime soon. The oddman out for me is my G-DEC 3 30. I figure I can cover most of what I need with my Mustang II. And that gigs better and has sag and bias in FUSE. Plus I can sell my G-DEC used for a lot more than the Mustang cost new. Ka-ching.


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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:33 am
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sixline wrote:
Nobody in your audience is going to walk away because the twang
wasn't Sunn or Tweed, or Marshall enough, if you play well, with songs fitting your audience, they'll stay. Modeling amps and software
exist, and mere mortals can cover a vast spectrum of sound for a
fraction of the traditional hardware price. I'm not hearing gaps in
the Mustang sound, and combined with freely available software,
let alone the vast commercial apps, there's no reason to worry about
missing any given sound, as the new ones you make will be even better.
Cheers :)


That's not really quite the question I was asking. If it can't do a high gain tweed sound it can't do it. if the gain knob on the Tweed models only goes so high and Voice 3 on the SCXD goes higher, it's not going to do it unless it has a clean boost option and the clean boost works the same way the added gain on the SCXD does.

It's not true there's no gap in the sound. It's already missing iconic sounds like Orange(both vintage and modern), Ampeg, the JC120, etc. It's not going to cover all ground and it's unrealistic to expect it to be cheap, good quality, and infinitely versatile.

It's not about what the audience thinks, it's about the sounds I want to get out of the amp. I'm not interested in merely covering the basics, I want something more too, the SCXD had that in my opinion.


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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:21 am
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Hi, I'm just trying to keep you from draining your life energy on a quest
that never can be fulfilled. At some point, you must dig in your heels, and
press the record button. Use the gear you have, and if you want or need certain things, fine, but letting lifes wants and needs prevent you from recording THIS week, is wasting your talent and passion for music. Shred is free. The Reaper full DAW is free to test, all features working, Guitar Rig 4 free demo runs 30 minutes at a time, no annoying hiss or dropouts...
To let endless conjecture about the knobs and labels and gaps or features of all this gear deprive you of the joys of creating and sharing your music would be tragic. The truth is, you can learn to recreate the sounds you desire well enough, with what is at hand, without spending mega $$$. Thousands of guitarists are integrating digital technology, the physical counterparts most could never dream to afford, let alone house, and set up for daily usage. (Now you may already be recording on a regular basis, and have a fine gear collection, I don't know, but I do meet people
whose main regret in life, is that they failed to use what they had, and what they knew, because it was never 'enough' to get started.
Cheers :)


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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:44 am
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I really think you're way overcomplicating things and not reading my posts at all.

I like Voice 3 on the SCXD a lot. I heard the Mustang was like the SCXD but better if you're not a tube snob. So obviously, I'm going to wonder if the Mustang can replicate SCXD.

It's not a tough question and I'm surprised given how great the Mustang is supposed to be how few people can answer a pretty straight up question, and almost nobody will take a quick clip of their amp despite it being easy to do so.

It's pretty regular to wonder if a modeler can do a particular sound. I wouldn't bother with a modeler if it couldn't do a Marshall kind of sound for example.

Also, despite loving my Marshall tones, it's still important to me not to sound like everyone else as some tones have been worn a bit thin. Because I'm coming largely from an electronic background, the timbre can be very important in a song. I don't mean how convincing it's t00bness is, but the overall character of a song. You can play metal on a Fender Twin but it probably won't be as good. Maybe it will be in a different way, but that's because you've found an interesting new use of an old timbre, not because the timbre doesn't matter. So I think I Have to disagree with your general point too.


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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:48 pm
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It's probably the tubes you're liking on the SCXD. No way the Mustang is going to perfectly emulate 6V6 tubes, a 12AX7 preamp tube, or Gen I modeling. Apples and oranges.


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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:14 pm
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Electric Mistress wrote:
I really think you're way overcomplicating things and not reading my posts at all.

I like Voice 3 on the SCXD a lot. I heard the Mustang was like the SCXD but better if you're not a tube snob. So obviously, I'm going to wonder if the Mustang can replicate SCXD.

It's not a tough question and I'm surprised given how great the Mustang is supposed to be how few people can answer a pretty straight up question, and almost nobody will take a quick clip of their amp despite it being easy to do so.

It's pretty regular to wonder if a modeler can do a particular sound. I wouldn't bother with a modeler if it couldn't do a Marshall kind of sound for example.

Also, despite loving my Marshall tones, it's still important to me not to sound like everyone else as some tones have been worn a bit thin. Because I'm coming largely from an electronic background, the timbre can be very important in a song. I don't mean how convincing it's t00bness is, but the overall character of a song. You can play metal on a Fender Twin but it probably won't be as good. Maybe it will be in a different way, but that's because you've found an interesting new use of an old timbre, not because the timbre doesn't matter. So I think I Have to disagree with your general point too.

Visualize it this way, paint the borders of the sonic spectrum in a rectangle, in which are 12 amp models, with discernable treble, mid, bass, and gain values of 24 each, so there are 1152 values in the sonic pallette. Now there are also 12 cab sims, so the total values are now in 5 digits, and no fx are yet applied. I can't think of a music genre that won't fit in somewhere among the 11000 odd sounds. You can access this pallette for $99, and of course, no one demands you trade in any tube amp gear.

Its pointless to make a clip, when nobody has the same guitars, pickups, knob settings, i/o devices, DACs yada yada. The clip you posted
sounds nothing like the 80s brit on the Mustang.
Cheers :)


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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:23 am
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Ahhhhhh you're not answering my question at all this is the most frustrating thing everrrr

is it possible to get the same gain out of a tweed model on the Mustang II as it is on Voice 3 of the SCXd pretty simple questionnn does the overdrive work as a clean boost or not


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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:27 am
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sixline wrote:
Hi, I'm just trying to keep you from draining your life energy on a quest
that never can be fulfilled. At some point, you must dig in your heels, and
press the record button. Use the gear you have, and if you want or need certain things, fine, but letting lifes wants and needs prevent you from recording THIS week, is wasting your talent and passion for music.


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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:52 am
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Electric Mistress,

The only real answer to your question is in YOUR hands (or ears)! Go to a store and compare the SCXD & Mustang side-by-side with the same guitar and cord. That's the only way you'll really get the answer to your question. Everyone's opinion and hearing differs enough that any other answer from any other source won't mean a thing.

I do know that you can vary the gain on the models on the Mustang. Just start with the Bassman model and work from there.

Have fun!
Bob :)


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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:22 am
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There is nowhere where I can demo them side by side.


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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:26 am
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Where do you live?

Many mail order stores give you 30 days to demo a product and return if not satisfied.

Just a suggestion. :)


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