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Post subject: Can I hear the Marshall models?
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:47 am
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I didn't get to hear UK70s since it's only available through FUSE, and thus not demo-able in the shop. I also want to hear more of UK80s. Again, you can only turn the mids up via FUSE and I also didn't get much time with that model, especially at lower gain. I like JCM800 amps for low gain and cleans.

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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:55 am
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There is a coupon on guitar center website for $20 on $99 purchase,
$50 on $299 purchase.
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:51 pm
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That's not what I asked at all :(

Everything I've heard of the UK80s model is pretty bad... it sounds kind of fizzy. If it was meant to be a plexi rather than a JCM I could see where they're coming from, but JCMs are meant to be smooth... what else could a UK80s be?


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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:02 pm
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The Mustang amp models don't seem to hold their state when making a preset, and the default settings are extrememly noisy on half of
them. I just tested brit 60, 70, and 80, and was able to get a clean
no-fizz tone from each one. But unless you save a clean preset, you'll
have to adjust things if you choose a different amp for comparison, and then switch back again. To me, thats either a bug, or should be optional behaviour.

If a store has not taken steps to quell flourescent interferance, this
can really make a Mustang hiss. I have a fixture with 5 of the new Mercury laden 'green' bulbs, and can't have it on when using the amp.
HISSSCRACKLEHISS
(and GE just closed its last incandesant lightbulb factory in the U.S. now all its toxic green bulbs are made in China, more good middle class jobs lost to energy scammers :evil: )

The amp models on the Mustang don't seem to have any sonic gaps, the range of sounds heard in video demos is not exagerated, and as I mentioned in another topic, a gdec may be better for specific needs.
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:15 am
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Electric Mistress wrote:


Everything I've heard of the UK80s model is pretty bad... it sounds kind of fizzy. If it was meant to be a plexi rather than a JCM I could see where they're coming from, but JCMs are meant to be smooth... what else could a UK80s be?


I can't make a good clip for you at the moment (or I would), but this was a major concern for me as well, and after trying it out in the store I had serious doubts. I took the plunge and bought it so I could play with Fuse, and return it if it didn't work out. Looking back now, I wouldn't have bought this amp without the ability to tweak it with Fuse, at least not for high gain amps.

The 70s British rocks, but I had to play with the bias and sag parameters to make it great. Big, noticeable differences in amp character with these adjustments compared to some modelers where its very subtle. just playing with those two adjustments and then auditioning different virtual cabinets I was able to get enough tones I was digging that I had a hard time choosing which is best. Of course you get the mid range control which is very important. I've also found these respond well to putting the virtual overdrive pedal in front to push the preamp, and the balance between how much distortion the pedal makes or just using it as a clean boost can have lots of possibilities for the overdrive character, not to mention you can use the pedal as a pre EQ which gives you even more tone shaping options. You'll find it's easy to get close to the sound AND feel you want, and still have more choices to fine tune with.

I'm really happy with 70s Brit for my AC/DC tones all the way up to my 80s sort of hard rock/metal sounds. The best part is I can roll of the volume of the AC/DC sounding one and get a cool blues tone/light break up out of it. Or throw a subtle chorus in front and hit some Dokken tones . I haven't played with the cleans much on this amp model but the same character is there.

If the factory presets were the best this could do I'd take it back, and with the limited tweaking you can do in a store it's a bit of a leap of faith to buy. But I think the sound you're after is in there, at least it is for me, and there's still more possibilities I want to play with. Just be prepared to spend some time playing with the parameters to see how they interact with each other and your new problem may be deciding which one you like BEST out of all the possibilities. I say go for it. :wink:


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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:30 am
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Maybe the JCM800 is biased too cold?

This is the kind of tones I want. I believe it's done on a JCM800 since that's what appears in the vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSG8bLRtOjo

This too, which I think is a JCM800 at low gain(or at least I got close with my Pandora, shame it's noisy as $@!&), or maybe some kind of overdriven fender/OD pedal that has a similar vibe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtJv7xPqiHE

The 70s model actually sounds like it can do something similar... maybe it's actually a hot rodded Plexi? Dunno. Plexis don't have as nice cleans/low gain to me as a JCM800 though.


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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:40 am
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If you listen to this -

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default ... ID=9723122

It doesn't sound anything like a real JCM800. The Brit 70s is closer if anything, it almost sounds like they have them backwards. It could be the cab modelling. It sounds so fizzy, almost more like a Bassman than a JCM.

Can someone record a good clip of the 80s setting?>


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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:21 pm
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Hi, the clip you posted sounds nothing like the Mustang 80s brit amp.
Its pointless to make a clip, when nobody has the same guitars, pickups, knob settings, i/o devices, DACs yada yada.

Visualize it this way, paint the borders of the sonic spectrum in a rectangle, in which are 12 amp models, with discernable treble, mid, bass, and gain values of 24 each, so there are 1152 values in the sonic pallette. Now there are also 12 cab sims, so the total values are now in 5 digits, and no fx are yet applied. I can't think of a music genre that won't fit in somewhere among the 11000 odd sounds. You can access this pallette for $99, and of course, no one demands you trade in any tube amp gear.
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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:50 am
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Electric Mistress wrote:
That's not what I asked at all :(

Everything I've heard of the UK80s model is pretty bad... it sounds kind of fizzy. If it was meant to be a plexi rather than a JCM I could see where they're coming from, but JCMs are meant to be smooth... what else could a UK80s be?


It really depends on your guitar model. Most of the amp archetypes of the Mustang are very adaptable except for the 80's Brit, it seems. If you're playing a Super-Strat type guitar with a loud bridge humbucker, it sort of sounds correct. It's real picky. It doesn't sound good with half of my guitars. Never really liked the JCMs myself, though, so I gave up on the model pretty fast.

The 70's British is the bee's knees, however!!! I've played numerous guitars through that setting and it's as remarkably dynamic as the 70's hot-rodded Marshalls could be. Remember, EVH used a hot-rodded 70's Marshall for the first Van Halen recordings. I think there's even a preset in the "amber" bank that plays off that reference.


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