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Which one would you advice me, and why?
Fender Mustang II 88%  88%  [ 15 ]
Vox VT20+ 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
Other 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
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Post subject: Fender Mustang or Vox VT
Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:41 pm
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Hello,

So, I want to buy a practice amp for the bedroom.
I thought about buying a Vox VT at first but people seem to like the new Fender Mustang. Now I wanted to ask everyone here what they prefer or what suits me more.

Since I'm still a beginner my taste/hearing kinda sucks so I need some advice.

I live in the Netherlands and have about 200 euros to spend.
So if you have any other amp recommendations that's fine =)

So I like:
-Muse
-Red Hot Chilli Peppers
-Eric Clapton
-C.N. Blue
-FT Island.

So rock/pop rock but no real metal or any hardcore.

I have a Yamaha Pacifica 112v

Fender Mustang II = €179,-
Vox VT30 = €189,-
Vox VT15 = €155,-
Vox VT20+ = €179,-

I do like the Fuse with the fender mustang. (I mus admit I don't know alot about it) All the presets seems nice, although there aren't that many of them yet. (I can understand with the Fender Mustang just coming out)

All the help would be greatly appreciated

PS. I know asking in a fender forum, the answers will be more towards the fender amp.
But I just wanted to get as much info as possible =)


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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:19 pm
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Hi, this youtube is the best I have seen showing FUSE in use
(the first 60 seconds are about G-DEC, then goes to Mustang.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myjzJVCKBHU

If you'll be in a studio and not on stage, the Mustang 1 may be
plenty loud. Fine in a 12 x 20 area here, but I use headphones most of the time anyway.
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:52 pm
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Here's my short take:

Mustang Amps are a lot like the Vox VT series. You turn knobs to get the amp and effects you want. Vox adds a tube, an attenuator, and both preamp and post amp volume controls on the amp. For effects, the Mustang knobs look straightforward but Vox VT has a really good system for finetuning the parameters right on the amp. However, if you have a dedicated laptop, Mustang trumps this with Fuse which I think (barring software failures) is one of the most intuitive ways to adjust effects on the market. Mustang favours models of Fender amps. Vox has a lot of its own and some interesting boutique models.

In the end, they are pretty evenly matched. You need to listen to each brand's amp models to see which you prefer. I played a Vox VT15 for a couple of weeks and loved a lot of the presets. If the Mustang is like the GDEC 3, it should have a few presets that keep you playing. Personally, I love the sound of a driven Vox AC30 but I am starting to come around to the grit of a Fender Tweed.


Here's my long(er) answer:

I own a GDEC 3 Thirty. I think the variety of sounds and effects you can generate are amazing and possibly the best and most varied on the market right now. However, to make it your dream bedroom amp you need to spend A LOT of time on Fuse downloading and tweaking the sounds.

Out of the box, the 100 presets are in no discernible order with eccentric descriptions. Fender might say that it is an Aladdin's Cave waiting to be explored. I think it's a dogs breakfast of styles and quite frustrating. Even some semblance of order would be appreciated.

Paradoxically, the sheer number and complexity of the available parameters for each amp and effect can be both a tremendous strength for learning about tone as well as a glaring weakness for beginners just trying to get started.

Now along comes the Mustang. The amp descriptions are made more straightforward. You may not know what 'Tweed' or 'Blackface' means but '65 Twin Reverb and 59 Bassman are pretty obvious. Tone knobs are right on the amp for quick tweaking while playing. The basic effects are right there on the amp for simple adjustments on the fly. A twist of a knob changes amps to get you closer to the sound you want. No need to have a dedicated laptop anymore. But wait! If you want to go a little deeper into changing the sound it is still all there on Fuse.

Vox VT amps are a lot like the Mustang but without the ability to change effects parameters with a graphical computer interface. However, Vox makes finding a sound you recognize even easier by having programmed presets for well known songs. This is a great feature for messing around on an amp. You don't need to guess what effects and amps were used because Vox did all the work. Rip into Tush by ZZ Top or try the arpeggios in Message in a Bottle. Simple and fun without spending hours playing with your amp rather than your guitar.

In the end, everyone gives the same advice because it is so true. Forget the feature set comparisons. Both amps are amazing value. Listen to each one and go with the one that has the sounds that make YOU want to play.


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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:27 pm
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In a good DAW software, inserting multiple tracks with a line-in connected to the Mustang headphone output is easy, each track can have separate vst fx chains,
The Fender Amplitube LE that comes with the Mustang is a great vst FX. Whatever
projects you make, youĺl have 24 instant variations, because changing the preset on the Mustang changes all the line-inputs throughout your project. Specialized projects,
and focused sets of Mustang presets, can be designed to get the most out of this arrangement.
The pieces are in place for creating amazing productions, and at a price everyone can afford.
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:31 pm
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i like the vox more because it sounds better to me. in my mind this is how modeling amps go. line 6 is lowest until u get to 75 watts and thats around $350 us dollars new. i like the mustang way more than line 6 a much better value but vox has the best sound IMO. and the mustangs are kinda limited without a mid control. but you should go play all of those options yourself

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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:10 pm
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There's a new VT+ coming out soon.


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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 5:39 am
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I want to thank you all for all the great replies!

It's still a very hard decision for me though...

and @Mistress, I know that, I even included the new amp in my first post.....

Anyways, I guess I'll wait and see what the new VT+ series bring.
I'm still looking at this topic, so if anyone still has advice it'd be greatly appreciated.


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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:21 am
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Ah, by new I meant the higher wattage models - I'm not too sure but I imagine the 40 Watter would be more giggable and have more features :) It may be worth extending your budget, if you really want those features with a more giggable amp.

I think the VTs are basically using fairly old tech that hasn't been tweaked much, and the Mustang II is brand new. However, the Vox may have better hardware.

The Mustang II seems like a better bet to me, cheaper and more tweaking, but I'm quite divided.


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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:31 am
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Ah, by new I meant the higher wattage models - I'm not too sure but I imagine the 40 Watter would be more giggable and have more features :)

I think the VTs are basically using fairly old tech that hasn't been tweaked much, and the Mustang II is brand new. However, the Vox may have better hardware.


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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:40 am
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Electric Mistress wrote:
Ah, by new I meant the higher wattage models - I'm not too sure but I imagine the 40 Watter would be more giggable and have more features :) It may be worth extending your budget, if you really want those features with a more giggable amp.

I think the VTs are basically using fairly old tech that hasn't been tweaked much, and the Mustang II is brand new. However, the Vox may have better hardware.

The Mustang II seems like a better bet to me, cheaper and more tweaking, but I'm quite divided.


Ahh, I see. I thought about the VT40+ but those are around 230-240. So 50 euros more, and I'm not sure if I need the extra wattage.
This will be my main practice amp in my room, there's a very very slight possibility that I will gig with it, but I doubt it.

But I guess that if the sounds at lower volumes is better with the VT40+ I'll consider it.

They say the Mustang II's sound isn't as good as the VT's, that's why I can't decide. The VT+ has 99 presets. So I think that's enough (Think, not sure) so I'm not sure if I really need to cosumizing with the Mustang.
But if the Mustang's sound is on par or better than the VT's I'll probably get the Mustang. (Even though it's kinda ugly imo :P)


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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:56 am
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Really? I heard the VT+s had only like 8 and people were complaining about that.

The 40 Watter would be more comparable to the 40 Watt Mustang II anyway.

I don't imagine the VT+s sound better. I had a Chrome Face AD30VT and it didn't sound as good as the Mustang II, but as far as I'm aware those were the worst of the VTs, they're mostly good amps.


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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:59 am
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Electric Mistress wrote:
Really? I heard the VT+s had only like 8 and people were complaining about that.

The 40 Watter would be more comparable to the 40 Watt Mustang II anyway.

I don't imagine the VT+s sound better. I had a Chrome Face AD30VT and it didn't sound as good as the Mustang II, but as far as I'm aware those were the worst of the VTs, they're mostly good amps.


Number of programs
Preset: 99
User: 8 (2 banks x 4 channels)

So 99 Presets and 8 channels.
I don't know if the VTs or VT+s sound better than the Mustang.
I just read it on some forums like Ultimate-guitar and a telecaster forum or something.


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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 10:02 am
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That's 99 preset patches you can't change and 8 to store your own. #$@*&!% stupid if you ask me, why would I want 99 of someone else's tones and only 8 of my own?

I hope they change this before release.


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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 10:03 am
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Electric Mistress wrote:
That's 99 preset patches you can't change and 8 to store your own. #$@*&!% stupid if you ask me, why would I want 99 of someone else's tones and only 8 of my own?

I hope they change this before release.


Well, you can still tweak the presets.
You still have your treble, bass, gain etc. and effects ofcourse.


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I have the Vox VT 30 and i just got the Mustang I. I will have to say the Mustang I seems a bit easier to use and the Fuse s/w is great and the Vox has no s/w so you can only tweak the settings on the amp - and it's not all that easy to tweak them on the Vox. I don't see a big advantage to the Vox over the Mustang in sound. THe Vox does an AC15/30 really good but it doesn't do the others - like Tweed, '65 Twin - nearly as well as Fender - well, they did create these amps originally so they should know how they should sound. I also like the lower cost and the lighter weight of the Mustang. For a modeling amp I would choose the Mustang due to the Fuse s/w, better clean amps, better tweakability, all the free s/w (Ableton Lite, Amplitube LE). You don't really get anything free with the Vox so you would have to buy the other stuff if you wanted to record or tweak. Oh - and the footpedal for the Vox VT is like an additional $99 - whereas you can just use a simple on/off footswitch with the Mustang - factor that into your consideration. I hate it when they make you pay almost the cost of the amp for a footswitch (Line 6 does it too!).


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