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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:53 pm
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It must be a very flat response guitar speaker though, unlike the one that's going in the Mustang III which seems to have quite the upper mid bump.

Also just because something doesn't have a tweeter doesn't mean it can't be relatively flat response(though it is more difficult). A tweeter is kind of useless for guitar anyway.

Out of interest, is this why the Mustangs don't have a speaker out?


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pwned :wink: That wuz great ... Shanes the bomb .. ... .. laughin me arse off here. :wink:
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but for the record ... mines a tripple cone with chocolate blueberries and a pink skirt.

But for Head version ..if its ever released ....Cabinet wize.. I'd go with Legend 1258 or I'd like to try cpl of those Lil' Texas speaker sets .. my 1 cents .. byeeeeeeeeee!

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Shane;
Thanks for the humor and indulging us with the inside amp scoops.
FWIW, I like the Fender speaker inside my MII. I couldn't really care what kind it is, as long as it sounds good and helps each amp model sound good.
I used to own an Atomic Reactor 112- 50 with a Celestion. It was ok, worked fine with my modelers. Sold it because I needed a change... and something versatile. I play guitars, mandolin, pedal steel through all my amps. Amps like the Fender Mustang can practically handle any playing situations.
My hope? that we can upgrade the button switch to include turning off the effects.
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Yes, there was misinformation at the very outset of launch about the 12" being coax. Probably because the G-DEC 3 30 was a coax FRFR. Thanks for correcting that.

"Musicmaster 2, was that you I saw lurking in the corner of the lab when we designed the amps? Sheesh."

Shane, was that you lurking around the bench when the presets for the G-DEC and the Mustang lines were being created? Sheesh.

Proud owner of the SCXD, G-DEC 3 30 and Mustang II. But like all thinking owners, I do roll my own tones. These are great products capable of world beater modeling, and soon to be greater with the III/IV/V coming.

But apart from the dodgy presets, to be fair, folks should know Shane was a major mover and shaker to bring such quality and performance to the average bloke.

In fact you might say if Fender is kind of the Apple of amps, Shane is kind of the Steve Jobs of Fender. He gets the intangibles right. The thing that makes you play these amps all night long and still come back for more.

And he learned a TON off the original G-DECs and listened to us closely about what we needed. Result: G-DEC 3's and the Mustangs. The Fender team including Shane kicked some major ash with these products. Props to all involved.


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Yes, there was misinformation at the very outset of launch about the 12" being coax. Probably because the G-DEC 3 30 was a coax FRFR. Thanks for correcting that.

"Musicmaster 2, was that you I saw lurking in the corner of the lab when we designed the amps? Sheesh."

Shane, was that you lurking around the bench when the presets for the G-DEC and the Mustang lines were being created? Sheesh.

Proud owner of the SCXD, G-DEC 3 30 and Mustang II. But like all thinking owners, I do roll my own tones. These are great products capable of world beater modeling, and soon to be greater with the III/IV/V coming.

But apart from the dodgy presets, to be fair, folks should know Shane was a major mover and shaker to bring such quality and performance to the average bloke.

In fact you might say if Fender is kind of the Apple of amps, Shane is kind of the Steve Jobs of Fender. He gets the intangibles right. The thing that makes you play these amps all night long and still come back for more.

And he learned a TON off the original G-DECs and listened to us closely about what we needed. Result: G-DEC 3's and the Mustangs. The Fender team including Shane kicked some major ash with these products. Props to all involved.


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its a great amp!


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Post subject: Re: Speaker used in the Mustang II
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:06 pm
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I think people have forgotten about the ends and have become too focused on the means. The Mustang amps work, and they work damn well. You can't expect Fender to give away all their trade secrets for your curiosity.

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Post subject: Re: Speaker used in the Mustang II
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 2:19 pm
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How would we hook up a regular 2 wire speaker to these Mustang Amps, is it possible?...Since both the MI/II's use a 3 wire speaker hook-up, i.e. black, red and yellow/green, does that mean we HAVE to buy some weird 3 wire speaker from Fender if it malfunctions?

Reason I'm asking.
I'm REALLY curious in trying both the Celestion Seventy/80 and an Eminence Wizard in my MII, but both these speakers use a two wire hook-up. Is there any way around this '3rd' wire? Thanks.


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I figured it out. The third (yellow/green) wire is just a chassis ground wire. Keeps the speaker from squeeling at louder volume(s) I believe. I'm goin to try out the Celestion
Seventy/80 in the near future for something to do..only this time I will properly ground
the speaker before attempting it. For what its worth, Fender picked an amazing speaker
for the MII in my eyes. Nice and light and sounds ok to me - even a little better than
the Wizard which cost me $100 bucks a few weeks ago.

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Post subject: Re: Speaker used in the Mustang II
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:02 pm
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Hi - question for Fender. I bought the Mustang II over the III for weight reasons, the II is just about compact enough to bring to small gigs and jams. I love it to bits but the speaker does bother me a little.

If I replace it with the Celestion like in the Mustang III, will it sound good? I imagine the II is reverse EQ'd to the specific voicing of the speaker, or is it something more general?

I want to get rid of some of the fizzy high end(but not too much, I like my nasty fuzz!) and maybe add lower mids.

Thanks!


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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:29 pm
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It sounds to me like Fender selected the particular speakers for the Mustang II and for the III (and I believe they are different) for reasons only they will ever know, but each had some coloration characteristics (not flat enough) which required them to tweak the power amps to compensate. I could, of course be wrong, but that's what is sounds like. Therefore, unless you get a speaker with the same characteristic, or really know what you're doing and are aware of the consequences, it probably would be inadvisable to swap it.

Remember, this is a modeling amp and theoretically the power amplifier/speaker combination should be pretty flat to allow the DSP and preamp to do all the sound work. So the amplifier and speaker has to be matched well enough to provide a flat overall response. If both the power amp and the speaker are FRFR, then you could mix and match much easier. It sounds like that's not a good idea with these things, though.
The Fender guy stated that the Mustang speakers are "regular" guitar speakers meaning that they will not be flat by nature, so you'd want to be very careful with replacing them.

If you do stumble on a killer speaker replacement, though, let us know!

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Post subject: Re: Speaker used in the Mustang II
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:00 am
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The amp sounds so different through USB/Headphones though. It's obviously not flat response.


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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:29 am
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The amp sounds so different through USB/Headphones though. It's obviously not flat response.


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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:23 am
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it sounds so different with different headphones also, so it doesn't mean that the speaker can't be FRFR.


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Post subject: Re: Speaker used in the Mustang II
Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:18 am
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All I know is that I have replaced every Celestion in every amp I own with Eminence Swamp Thang speakers including my Fender Super Sonic, Mustang II, and Mustang III and to my ears if offers more volume and more importantly better tone than the Celestions. This is obviously subjective but what I like about the Swamp Thangs is they don't exhibit the ice pick highs present in the Celestions and they have a better low end. They smooth out the highs that I find annoying on most amps.

Bottom line is that my Mustang II is a small beast with the Swamp Thang installed.


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Post subject: Re: Speaker used in the Mustang II
Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:27 am
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Nice American Growl.. thats the Patriot series eh .. Pretty sure my DAD is using one of them as well. Good stuff.

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Post subject: Re: Speaker used in the Mustang II
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:36 pm
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i can offer some tips on mustang II speaker replacement....the stock speaker is not bad,,,,and not great....i took mine out,,,it is very light weight (almost flimsy)with a very small magnet.,...looks like maybe a 1 1/2 inch voice coil...i can assure you it is not a stock EMINENCE LEGEND 12.....i tried my mustang II WITH 2 DIFFERENT SPEAKERS.,..i had them on hand...i didnt buy one just for this experiment...first i put in an a EMINENCE TEXAS HEAT...8 ohm 12....i would say that the eminence is at least twice as loud as the stock fender and way way more efficient....it roars.,..unfortunately, it also produces a TERRIBLE high end raspy sound that is just gross....in my old tube amp the speaker sounds great..

...so...took that out....next i tried a speaker ive never used...an electro harmonix 12VR8..a celestion copy....i figure if the mustang III uses a chinese celestion that this might be the ticket for the II....it was...in most ways.....it is far superior to the stock fender for the fender presets.....its does an awesome cranked deluxe reverb...the fizzy high end of the fender speaker is gone.....this speaker sounds great and it is very loud too.........and has bottom end galore...however, i had some marshall presets..(one beano preset i made sounded awesome with the original speaker)....they sounded like hell with this new speaker.....i had to go back and tweak the hell out of them.....the only speaker sim that sounded really good for the marshall amps model ..with this EH 12...was the 65 twin cab....all the others sucked bad....the beano mod is ok again now but i still dont think its as good as with the original speaker...on my original preset i used the bassman speaker sim and it was awesome....with the EH the bassman sim sounded like pure doodoo...

the third speaker wire....the ground .....it is soldered to the middle of the fender speaker tab...i unsoldered it....when replacing, i just screwed the ground wire on to the speaker frame when mounting the speaker.....that grounds it to the speaker frame......its much easier than trying to solder that thing on a new speaker..

also..one weird thing....the original fender speaker has the slide on speaker connections....except....the positive is regular size tab and the negative is like 3 times as small....and the negative tab on the speaker is the same tiny size........its tiny.....so you cant just slide both these speaker leads on your new speaker.....you have to solder the negative one on.....

the only reason i can see for this 2 size thing is...to make it dummy proof for hooking up....

also...when you undo the 3 power cord wires(after opening the cab back)....make sure to slighty crimp them when you reattach them....so they fit nice and tight....they get loose if you play loud and they can vibrate loose and make the amp quit...

the power plug does not come off the back panel...you have to go inside to undo the wires....theres almost no clearance for your hand till you undo the 3 power leads..unplug the power cord from the outlet first, for gods sake..,.
its easy...be careful...

one thing you notice....inside of this amp....besides the speaker....there is practicallly nothing.....looks like an iphone inside.....but hey...it sounds great..!!

in my opinion the only good amp models are the bassman,...the deluxe reverb and the 65 twin...and the princeton reverb......the marshall, vox and other heavy metal stuff is ghastly sounding.....you can get some good sounds out the tweed deluxe if you dick around a lot with the settings.....

of you use the 65 twin amp model....turn off the bright switch,,,,it just adds too much harshness....makes a big diff when you click that off....it makes a sound just like when you click the bright switch on a real fender tube amp..'!

also...when setting your presets and saving them.....dont use the headphones.....use the speaker.....the headphones sound one way and the speaker(especially if you change it) sound another...

i had to go thru all my presets and reduce the bass....because when using live it was way too boomy....but on headphones sounded good..

i think...maybe the best speaker upgrade for this amp woud be the jensen neo 12 8 ohm 100 watt speaker....they are loud..strong , uncolored and pretty flat.....should be perfect....only thing is it costs about 130 dollars...!....yikes..!

i think i will stay with this electro harmonix speaker , i really like the improvement, but am saving the original speaker...

one more tip....under advanced settings for each model...crank the sag all the way up..or at least leave it in the middle....and leave the bias in the middle..or tweak it just a little bit either way of center....some people say reduce the sag all the way down and crank the bias all the way up...NO..!..that makes a bad sound...!...try making those adjustments while listening thru the speaker..it really changes the sound...more sag softens it up..and this amp needs softening up..!.....you can simulate a solid state rectified 62 bassman by reducing the sag...if you like that sound, go for it...you have to use your ears on each preset..


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