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Post subject: Mustang II and G-Dec 3 - comparison?
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:00 pm
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I like the knobs and LEDS on the Mustang II rather than the buttons and LCD on the G-Dec 3.

What are the differences between the 2 amps ( series) other than output, the G-Dec 3's SD Card and the G-Dec 3-30's stereo lines out?


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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:07 am
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Hey Jbloggs,

Other than Fender FUSE and USB functionality, these amps don't have much in common. The Mustang I&II amps include totally different amp models and a different effects engine than the G-DEC 3.

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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:24 am
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I was looking at the Mustang II online, how do you like it so far?

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Post subject: Mustn't I and II
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:02 am
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I notice that on the Fender Mustang amp page it states that "though they are the smallest members of the family" do I assume from that there are more Mustang amps in the works?


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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:49 pm
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jaknzax wrote:
I was looking at the Mustang II online, how do you like it so far?

I got the "1", and love it. I upgraded XP to IE8 and sp3
downloaded and installed Fuse V2 (300 meg, as it includes
Silverlight and .net framework), installed the asio driver and
created a Fuse account, and in the process, chose to
register the Amplitube and Ableton Live Lite, then started Fuse,
and needed a firmware update, which was delightfully simple, and from
there, went on to editing and creating sounds in the Fuse workshop
a beautiful drag-n-drop gui with insert stomps on the left, Amps in the middle, and a rack for sends on the right, with dropdown menus to choose
sound options per device.
The sounds themselves are excellent, lots of options,
I'd rate it 9.5 out of 10 in this price range.
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:41 pm
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Other than Fender FUSE and USB functionality, these amps don't have much in common. The Mustang I&II amps include totally different amp models and a different effects engine than the G-DEC 3.

I have both the G-DEC 3 30 ($400) and the Mustang II ($200). I've noticed a significant qualitative difference in the tones. Not the EFX, but the core tones and OD quality.

You reference just the models and EFX above, but does the Mustang II use a completely different DSP and modeling engine from the G-DEC 3 series? It sure sounds like it. I originally assumed you'd be borrowing the tech from the G-DEC 3 series, which is excellent and you've already amortized out the R&D dev costs on it. But it sure doesn't sound like it. I can hear a $200 difference!


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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:38 pm
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Hi, over the past few years, I've used sounds from a very nice hardware rack, a wide range of vst and other soft fx, and several amp brands, on the same 2 guitars, and assuming each component is set for optimum output vs noise level, what I hear is a lot of quality gear that all sounds
a bit different, because it is. Different circuits, different models, different
dsp coding skills, different chips, and different price points, from free on up. I've been in A/B testing mode since I got the Mustang a couple days ago, and its one of many tasty fruits in the bowl, with the advantage of fast and flexible sound design and augmentation of sound, at the far low end of the price scale, yet with excellent sound and connectivity that I find difficult to fit into a comparison slot based on hundreds of dollars. :?
I doubt I'll be less of a fanboi next week, as the Mustang fits it in so well with my oldies and secret treasures collection :wink:
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:43 pm
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So what are the hardware (DSP) and software (Cyber Engine II) differences? Or are they exactly the same core elements apart from the specific emulated amps?


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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:47 pm
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Hm, playing both products with different axes maybe they're not so different after all. My guess remains they're basically the same hardware and firmware, just slightly different applications of it.


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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:22 pm
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Some companies have kept old but good products alive by getting simplified circuitboards, with reduced chip counts. I imagine being able to retail
the 8" Mustang at $100 should get some R/D people a nice bonus.
It doesn´t leave much room for someone to enter the market with a lower price,
so a higher feature set is needed to compete, and FUSE looks like its designed
for adding more gear as the models become available, and competition demands it.
Sure hope so! :)


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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:29 pm
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Not just Fuse but Fender looks to be readying their own DAW software (see sticky at top of Mustang section).


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Musicmaster2 wrote:
Other than Fender FUSE and USB functionality, these amps don't have much in common. The Mustang I&II amps include totally different amp models and a different effects engine than the G-DEC 3.

I have both the G-DEC 3 30 ($400) and the Mustang II ($200). I've noticed a significant qualitative difference in the tones. Not the EFX, but the core tones and OD quality.

You reference just the models and EFX above, but does the Mustang II use a completely different DSP and modeling engine from the G-DEC 3 series? It sure sounds like it. I originally assumed you'd be borrowing the tech from the G-DEC 3 series, which is excellent and you've already amortized out the R&D dev costs on it. But it sure doesn't sound like it. I can hear a $200 difference!
When you say 200 difference, do you mean in a bad way that the mustang doesnt sound good, or do you mean it sounds good but just different?


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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:18 pm
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Musicmaster2 wrote:
Not just Fuse but Fender looks to be readying their own DAW software (see sticky at top of Mustang section).
They're up to something. I think you have a really good guess. Either that or a new version of fuse with all the ideas and features mentioned by users in this forum.


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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:59 pm
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bluesdelux wrote:
Musicmaster2 wrote:
Not just Fuse but Fender looks to be readying their own DAW software (see sticky at top of Mustang section).
They're up to something. I think you have a really good guess. Either that or a new version of fuse with all the ideas and features mentioned by users in this forum.

They could buy Traction 3 from Mackie on the cheap. fix the bugs, and
become legends in DAW culture/history. 8)


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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:52 pm
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Not Fender's style to re-brand shovelware. They must have developed their own guitar-friendly DAW similar to Guitar Tracks.

Re the $200 difference: My Mustang II sounded like cold, digital crap with my RGX A2 (w/hot alnicos but very bright). But awesome through my Aslin-Dane 330 clone (warm, phat HBs).

So now I'm back more convinced that the Mustang engine is the same as the G-DEC 3's. Which is to say: excellent.

But Fender never answers me about this.


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