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Post subject: Switching between clean and dirty on Mustang IIIv2
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:11 am
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As the title states, I need assistance switching between clean and dirty/high gain midsong with my M3v2. When I have 2 presets next to each other - one clean, the next high gain/dirty - there is a noticeable lag time between me triggering the foot switch and the actual switch in tone. My example is this: my band plays lithium by nirvana. If I dial in a clean tone for the intro then switch to the next preset during the chorus I either need to hit the switch a second early which is tricky or I hit that first chord of the chorus and it's clean then distorted. Kind of ruins the dramatic change. So, two questions:
1. Is there a fix for this? I notice that when the presets use the same amp model the lag time is less, but still noticeable.
2. What is your setup for this if there is no fix (i.e.:firmware)?
I like to use a clean Fender Twin for the clean and then the Orange (British Colour?) for the heavy part. I'm not opposed to using the built in pedals as there is no lag time when turning a pedal off and on within a preset, but I haven't found a great combo between the clean amp and a pedal that sounds as good as the dirty amp models. Any suggestions or preset recommendations would be appreciated.


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Post subject: Re: Switching between clean and dirty on Mustang IIIv2
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:22 pm
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I have found you have to just practice the timing of your switch like leaving the clean a tad early. I like going from a clean Fender Twin with a compressor, delay and hall reverb to a mouthwatering growl of the Marshall JCM 800 with some bells and whistles on it as well.

Pretty sure the new Stangs coming out will have enough DSP to compensate for this issue.

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Post subject: Re: Switching between clean and dirty on Mustang IIIv2
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:27 pm
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HIO wrote:
I have found you have to just practice the timing of your switch like leaving the clean a tad early. I like going from a clean Fender Twin with a compressor, delay and hall reverb to a mouthwatering growl of the Marshall JCM 800 with some bells and whistles on it as well.

Pretty sure the new Stangs coming out will have enough DSP to compensate for this issue.

You could also use an outboard distortion/overdrive unit to fix this issue. No delay in that but you would need to stick with the patch you are on.

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Post subject: Re: Switching between clean and dirty on Mustang IIIv2
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:28 pm
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You can use one of the stomp models on the clean preset to switch to distortion rather than switching presets. And thats just the way it is. That delay is one reason i never switch presets in the middle of a tune. The other is i simply don;t need to because i get everything i need from one preset thru the use of my guitar's volume control and pup selector and the stomp button. I mainly use the preset with stomp on using the greenbox model with volume on 10 and gain on zero as a clean boost to drive the amp model. the using my guitar's controls i can get most and clean to dirty sound i need and if i need a bit cleaner i kick the stomp off.

As someone already said, the new GT series of mustangs have more processing power so they may not have that delay, plus the overall tone should be notably better.


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Post subject: Re: Switching between clean and dirty on Mustang IIIv2
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:10 pm
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Thank you for the replies thus far. I'm a little disheartened. I love the tones I get from this amp. It has everything I need except for this one issue. Timing my switch is not reliable. Sometimes the switch between presets is faster and other times it's slower. I bought the amp for the tones and to simplify my life. No more pedal board. I just think back to the days when I had a Bandit 112 and a DS-1 and could go clean to dirty with a stomp of a button. The sounds are so much better on the Mustang so I really want to stick with it.


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Post subject: Re: Switching between clean and dirty on Mustang IIIv2
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:51 am
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There's no way around this when changing programs unfortunately.

I've had the same experience, in the few songs I needed to do this, it was a very minor annoyance for me. I think I was the only one who ever noticed it. None of the band mates ever heard it to the point where it was a problem for them, and certainly none of the alcohol infused folks on the dance floor. I just chalked it up to the "give and take" for the sake of technology.


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Post subject: Re: Switching between clean and dirty on Mustang IIIv2
Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 3:17 am
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Hi,
the problem you're talking about seems to me a returning problem...
as soon as we have to deal with switching from a dirty mid /high gain to a clean preset, is not just a matter of delay in the transition from A to B , but often, at least in my case, i get an additional unpleasant effect that is a noise, a louder sound, caused by a kind of momentary rebouncing from clean tone to dirty tone for 1/2 seconds before to be stabilized to the clean tone preset.
I don't remember if happens an equivalent effect also in the opposite direction, switching from clean to dirty tone.
In any case it is more noticeable than a "simple" silence between a preset and the next, and that effect feets in a song as good as , i would say, a wrong note or chord.
It's a sin.

EDIT : I have quickly listened to the transition between a preset to another in my 100, some are created by me, some default one, some came from other users sharing.
the problem is more complex than I remembered it, in the sense that the noise i was talking about (really is of short duration,a burst less than a second) can happens also between two different mid/low gain amp models in which is not added an overdrive or distortion... and apparently is strictly related to the transition delay issue you was talking about...


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