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Post subject: As of Nov16, whate Remote Control Options exist?
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:42 am
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Hi Folks,
I am engineering a live act who have a couple of Fender Mustang III units, set up in stereo.
The entire rig is being automated, including patch selection on guitar amps, and some control CC for effects.
The goal is DAW/Sequencer MIDI SongSelect message (or patch/LSB/MSB within a Song) from PC, changing the patch on the Fender, and exposing MIDI CC set ups within the patches, if possible.
I notice that the Fender Floor has MIDI I/O, but these cabinets do not - (why, Fender, why?)
I am verging on suggesting dumping the Mustangs in favour of more connected/controllable kit.
But before I do...
What remote control options do I actually have?
a) Is the MIDI UART chip on the PCB of the Mustang, just not exposed, and therefore is it moddable to expose it via a 5pin DIN socket?
b) Can MIDI be sent via the USB socket to achieve the same thing?
c) Is there a Windows MIDI USB driver that exposes the PatchChange / CC controls in the o/s of the Mustang?
d) Are there any MIDI bluetooth to USB devices for the Mustang?
e) I note the Linux/Pi effort - is there a Windows .NET equivalent?
f) Are there any footpedal inc/dec adaptations that accept MIDI PatchChange as an equivalent?

I could - but I am not sure it's worth the time/energy - write a Windows USB device driver especially, if there is enough information about the USB protocol to the amp.

Comments/thoughts appreciated.

Dear Fender,
VERY surprised at the entire absence of MIDI remote control on the Mustangs. This is the 21st C after all.
Is there a Windows USB device driver already for passing MIDI commands to the Mustang directly?
Fuse for Windows must be based on something very similar after all.
Thanks!

PS.
Do you have a developers' NDA, SDK and forum?


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Post subject: Re: As of Nov16, whate Remote Control Options exist?
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:25 pm
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See yesterday's CodeSmart post and the included YouTube video in this thread:http://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=101390 regarding the recently introduced http://www.primovasound.com/midx_20.html unit.

The MIDX-20 product website (page bottom), has a link to the complete MIDX-20 Manual.pdf. Pages 13 & 14 of this document contain the Mustang's MIDI control parameters.

Also contact Steven Hirsch "shirsch" here on the Fender Forums, as he compiled the MIDI Bridge data.

And consider the REMUDA Android App if you will be using Android devices to control, edit, backup, restore, share presets between, or configure the Mustangs. The developer is very responsive and reachable via the email address on the Google Store App page.

Post back how things progress so all may share on the learning....

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Post subject: Re: As of Nov16, whate Remote Control Options exist?
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:12 pm
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Thanks for the pointer.

The general concensus here is to pursue the Windows USB Driver route if possible.
A cable insertion would simply cause a MIDI port to appear in the O/S, which could be addressed in the DAW.

There are numerous C++ examples in the Windows driver development kit, it's really just a question of figuring out which driver model will work best, and then finding a way to write it such that it translates from MIDI to Fender device commands.

That said, writing device drivers is not my principle skill in life, so might take me a while!


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Post subject: Re: As of Nov16, whate Remote Control Options exist?
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:54 am
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s9dd wrote:
Thanks for the pointer.

The general concensus here is to pursue the Windows USB Driver route if possible.
A cable insertion would simply cause a MIDI port to appear in the O/S, which could be addressed in the DAW.

There are numerous C++ examples in the Windows driver development kit, it's really just a question of figuring out which driver model will work best, and then finding a way to write it such that it translates from MIDI to Fender device commands.

That said, writing device drivers is not my principle skill in life, so might take me a while!

The Mustang Amps all conform to the HID model. 64 byte packets in and out. I used the Windows Device Driver Kit (DDK) standard function for HID access. Google "HidD_" to get started. All of the applicable functions start with that prefix. Also I second MusicLaw. Steve Hirsch's MIDI to USB efforts are an excellent area to investigate. Cheers.

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