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Post subject: Re: Thinking about moving on
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:34 pm
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neuwirth wrote:
I think at times we get overly involved with how close a modeling amp can come to a "real" amp. If I can get a sound I like out of an amp, whether a modeler or not, why do I care if it sounds like a specific other amp?
I know the modelers are supposed to get as close as they can to the amps they are emulating, but if you can get a good sound, does it really matter if it sounds exactly like a Twin, Marshall, or whatever?

Certainly not. Just to be able to have the ability to go from a Twin to a Marshall and be close in sound is a marvel. Lighter, less money, effects, and being able to get a nice distortion at low volume without a ton of tubes to worry about along with being more environmental while using less power. It is really a no brainer for me.

I am a tweaker though and I am sure many find it too complex and cannot dial in a really good sound. In the voice of Mick Jagger "Wild, wild horses, couldn't drag my Mustangs away".

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Post subject: Re: Thinking about moving on
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:53 pm
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HIO wrote:
neuwirth wrote:
I think at times we get overly involved with how close a modeling amp can come to a "real" amp. If I can get a sound I like out of an amp, whether a modeler or not, why do I care if it sounds like a specific other amp?
I know the modelers are supposed to get as close as they can to the amps they are emulating, but if you can get a good sound, does it really matter if it sounds exactly like a Twin, Marshall, or whatever?

Certainly not. Just to be able to have the ability to go from a Twin to a Marshall and be close in sound is a marvel. Lighter, less money, effects, and being able to get a nice distortion at low volume without a ton of tubes to worry about along with being more environmental while using less power. It is really a no brainer for me.

I am a tweaker though and I am sure many find it too complex and cannot dial in a really good sound. In the voice of Mick Jagger "Wild, wild horses, couldn't drag my Mustangs away".


I agree with most of what you said. I am certainly not "Anti-Mustang" for the points you brought up - the major ones for me being cost, weight, and the availability of numerous sounds and effects.

The downsides can't be ignored.

Some are unavoidable, like the fact that a Twin model doesn't get exactly the sound of a blackface Twin, or a Marshall model doesn't exactly nail a Plexi if you put them side by side.

Some, however, are avoidable, and I wish would have been addressed a bit better by Fender. The main one for me is durability and overall cheapness. The quality of the cabinet, and the quality of the components such as the jacks. A plastic jack has no place on a "professional" amp. Neither do MINI headphone jacks and micro USB connectors. Considering the cost difference to have put in metal full-size connectors, there's really no excuse, unless the amp was only targeted at the home market.

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Post subject: Re: Thinking about moving on
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:19 am
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FWIW, my Mustang III feels "suspiciously light", I always figured it would be a matter of time before it took a good ding and fell to pieces. But it's been almost 4 years of gigging with the amp - it has been whacked with mic stands, bonked into walls, and fell off an amp stand once. So far, none of that was enough to cause any problems. Gofigure.

Oh and IMO, this is a silly statement:
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A plastic jack has no place on a "professional" amp.
What century are you living in? :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Thinking about moving on
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:50 am
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thompal, I agree with your last paragraph, but I don't see the one above that as necessarily a negative. To me, it's not important that the sounds of the modeled amps are not exact, as long as it's a sound I can use. I guess I think of it sort of like it has it's own sound, and it's sort of like the Twin or the Marshall, but it's a good sound. There are a lot of good amps out there that don't sound like another amp.

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Post subject: Re: Thinking about moving on
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:48 pm
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You cannot model amp A on amp B if amp B doesn't have speakers capable of reproducing what amp A does.


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Post subject: Re: Thinking about moving on
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:40 pm
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thompal wrote:
HIO wrote:
neuwirth wrote:
I think at times we get overly involved with how close a modeling amp can come to a "real" amp. If I can get a sound I like out of an amp, whether a modeler or not, why do I care if it sounds like a specific other amp?
I know the modelers are supposed to get as close as they can to the amps they are emulating, but if you can get a good sound, does it really matter if it sounds exactly like a Twin, Marshall, or whatever?

Certainly not. Just to be able to have the ability to go from a Twin to a Marshall and be close in sound is a marvel. Lighter, less money, effects, and being able to get a nice distortion at low volume without a ton of tubes to worry about along with being more environmental while using less power. It is really a no brainer for me.

I am a tweaker though and I am sure many find it too complex and cannot dial in a really good sound. In the voice of Mick Jagger "Wild, wild horses, couldn't drag my Mustangs away".


I agree with most of what you said. I am certainly not "Anti-Mustang" for the points you brought up - the major ones for me being cost, weight, and the availability of numerous sounds and effects.

The downsides can't be ignored.

Some are unavoidable, like the fact that a Twin model doesn't get exactly the sound of a blackface Twin, or a Marshall model doesn't exactly nail a Plexi if you put them side by side.

Some, however, are avoidable, and I wish would have been addressed a bit better by Fender. The main one for me is durability and overall cheapness. The quality of the cabinet, and the quality of the components such as the jacks. A plastic jack has no place on a "professional" amp. Neither do MINI headphone jacks and micro USB connectors. Considering the cost difference to have put in metal full-size connectors, there's really no excuse, unless the amp was only targeted at the home market.


I have to say, I'm definitely in the category of "if it gives me a great sound, then I don't care what it's supposed to sound like". Keeping in mind that I do use a conservative number of pedals to craft my distortion and the like, of course. I don't fully depend solely on the Mustang III for my sound, but I have been considering purchasing another cabinet and simply rigging up my favorite speaker mix (Celestion G12M Creamback and Vintage 30) to finish it off. I'm still very anxious to see what the higher power rating of the speakers allows me to do with the gain. (I currently use very little of the amp emulation gain aside from what my pedals push it to, so I'm very eager to experiment and add in a little more emulated gain signal-since the higher-power rating of the speakers will create a naturally cleaner sound...)

But anyway, I think it would be awesome for a new band to emerge where they prove that just because they're using a modeler doesn't mean they can't get famous! :mrgreen:

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