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Post subject: Mustang III with bass guitar
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:01 pm
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didn't find anything in the search...

So I stumbled into a near giveaway bass yesterday... nothing spectacular, but I'd like to be able to lay down some bass lines in my songs. Obviously, I can use my USB interface and record with headphones using emulation plugins, but I'm thinking, what about the '59 Bassman in my Mustang III? If that's a good model, can't I use that and record from the lineouts? I know playing the bass through the amp could kill the speaker, but thinking if I just use the headphones, should be safe, right? What's the sound like? Also, if I put a switched speaker plug on the amp, couldn't I drive a bass cab? If the modeling is good, 100W should be plenty, right?

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III with bass guitar
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:43 am
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This was my answer from another thread:

strings10927 wrote:
markcc wrote:
Fender say no

I remember that from a post in 2010, before the v2 amps came out:

Fender TSL wrote:
Hey Guys,

There is no HPF on the Mustang's input. I'm sure you're aware that any kind of mod will void your warranty. Using the Mustang as a bass amp will void the warranty as well.

I believe the volume difference you're hearing is related to amplifier wattage.

But then there's this video from NAMM 2013 where Richard Heins (a Product Manager at Fender Musical Instruments Corporation) says you can plug in a bass (at 0:33):


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III with bass guitar
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:50 am
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strings10927 wrote:
This was my answer from another thread:

strings10927 wrote:
markcc wrote:
Fender say no

I remember that from a post in 2010, before the v2 amps came out:

Fender TSL wrote:
Hey Guys,

There is no HPF on the Mustang's input. I'm sure you're aware that any kind of mod will void your warranty. Using the Mustang as a bass amp will void the warranty as well.

I believe the volume difference you're hearing is related to amplifier wattage.

But then there's this video from NAMM 2013 where Richard Heins (a Product Manager at Fender Musical Instruments Corporation) says you can plug in a bass (at 0:33):



I get that adding an alternate speaker jack to the Mustang will void my warrantee... really shouldn't IMO, but I accept that risk. But that aside, I also recognize that pumping bass through the midrange guitar speaker will kill it due to the greater displacements required. Also, part of why I want to do this is for recording and I was thinking that since the Mustang includes bass amp models, that I could use them along with the lineout for recording. In my noisy house, the lineout is a savior for clean recordings -- can't tell you how many time I have a teenage throwing my door open during recording, "HEY DAD! BLAH BLAH BLAH!"

So, since I'm not looking at buying a serious amp and none of the affordable "practice amps" have XLR lineouts, the minimum it'd cost seems to be $200 for the Fender Rumble 40. If I could add a switched bass speaker out of my Mustang III, looks like I could make a 10" cab with a quality low freq name-brand speaker (Celestion or Peavey) for ~$75 complete. That relies on the Mustang bass amp models working for low freq output. Also, I'd probably have to fiddle settings to get more of a good match between the bass cab and the lineout, but it would probably be better than mic'ing a cheap practice amp, right?

More thoughts?

I guess I should try recording out of the MIII just using headphones to get a sense of the output. I can't see how that would hurt anything!

Thanks!

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III with bass guitar
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:42 am
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I play bass through mine quite often - just keep the volume low. I hardly get above 1 and a half on master anyway!
It records off the XLR really well.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III with bass guitar
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:11 am
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+1. You shouldn't gig with it, but practicing and recording a bass won't be a problem. At master volume 2-3 the amp is plenty loud for that with no danger to the speaker.

Otherwise you couldn't play music through the aux-in either because it might contain bass frequencies. :roll:


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III with bass guitar
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:07 pm
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ok, makes sense guys! I'm not going to blast it... just practice/learn and maybe record a little!

Still under warranty... doubt Fender could prove it was a bass anyway...

Thanks!!!

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III with bass guitar
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:25 am
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About those Warranties...

I just read this and thought I would pass it along:

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/warranty-void-if-removed-stickers-are-illegal

So, opening up your Mustang or replacing a blown speaker yourself does not in and of it's self void your warranty - no matter what it says.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III with bass guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:58 am
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p90sdude wrote:
About those Warranties...

I just read this and thought I would pass it along:

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/warranty-void-if-removed-stickers-are-illegal

So, opening up your Mustang or replacing a blown speaker yourself does not in and of it's self void your warranty - no matter what it says.


Well wow! That's really good information!

So far, at the levels I'm playing at, I'm not worried about blowing the speaker... yet! Maybe, when I get more into it! :)

Anyone else just causally pick up a bass to mix in with their guitar playing?

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III with bass guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:42 pm
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I have a MIM Fender Jazz Bass for recording but don't get too much time to mess around with it these days. When I record, I just plug it straight into the mixer. I could see plugging it into the Mustang amp and then plugging from the FX Send into the mixer.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III with bass guitar
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:18 pm
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I am a bassist by trade, but I do my own home recordings with guitar, keys, bass and drums.. I use the Mustang 3 for all of my guitar and bass tracks and even some of the keys. For bass I use the '59 Bassman with the gain set low and everything else at 12 o'clock. The Mustang also comes with not only recording software but also the IK Multimedia Amplitube software which has AWESOME bass amp sims.. and for a little more $$ you can buy others a la carte. When I'm learning songs or just jamming along, I load the song into the recording software and treat it as a track and just play along... It's come in handy as I can pitch shift the songs to whatever tuning my band is using.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III with bass guitar
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:22 pm
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eyezomb wrote:
I am a bassist by trade, but I do my own home recordings with guitar, keys, bass and drums.. I use the Mustang 3 for all of my guitar and bass tracks and even some of the keys. For bass I use the '59 Bassman with the gain set low and everything else at 12 o'clock. The Mustang also comes with not only recording software but also the IK Multimedia Amplitube software which has AWESOME bass amp sims.. and for a little more $$ you can buy others a la carte. When I'm learning songs or just jamming along, I load the song into the recording software and treat it as a track and just play along... It's come in handy as I can pitch shift the songs to whatever tuning my band is using.


Cool! Yeah, I'm using MIII and '59 Bassman with roughly the same settings. I've been recording all my guitar tracks from the amp ('65 Twin) so I minimize the post process modeling (EQ, Compression, fine tuning reverbs, etc.) and planned on doing kind of the same when I get good enough with the bass to add some simple basslines to my recordings (not there yet!). Kind of feeling like sticking strictly to these two amp models on the MIII instead of going crazy in my DAW.

I'm pretty happy with Reaper for this and some nice free plugins I've added. For better or worse, I've been mostly recording to my Tascam DP-008EX 8 track... then exporting to the computer for final mix down and mastering... getting local airplane for my newest self-released CD on KXCI!

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III with bass guitar
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:27 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
I have a MIM Fender Jazz Bass for recording but don't get too much time to mess around with it these days. When I record, I just plug it straight into the mixer. I could see plugging it into the Mustang amp and then plugging from the FX Send into the mixer.


With teenage boys in the house, my "studio" is hardly quiet, so direct recording is the least stressful... but I like using the MIII's lineout so I can use all the amp's effects and modeling. Before I upgraded to a focusrite Scarlett, I just plugged directly into my PreSonus AudioBox for direct recording, but that was mainly because the PreSonus didn't play nice with my MIII's lineout.

My setup/workflow is really primitive! :)

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