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Post subject: Re: NEW MUSTANG V OWNER
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:28 pm
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. I presume the MV's grille cloth is purely for aesthetics.


As far as I can tell. Is the M IV 150 watts mono, or is it a 2 X 75 like my MV?

And when I play the amp for 3 to 4 hours inside, it feels the same as when it's unplugged.
The MIV's electronics are identical to the MV's!

The MIV chassis lacks dedicated 1/4" Spkr Jacks.

Both amps provide 150 watts with Stereo FX, Stereo FX I/O Loops, and Stereo XLR Line Outs.

The MIV's inegrated speaker cabinet has two 12" Celestion Seventy 80 spkrs; one wired for Right Channel, the other wired for Left Channel.

Whatever the intermittent cause of the cut out problem you encountered was, it is not likely a thermal issue. If the problem occurs again, you should absolutely open, clean and reseat all the internal wiring, cables, and connectors!

You also may wish to search for and read up on the "Fizz" issue that afflicted some, but not all, of the first generation Mustangs. None of the Mustang v2 models are at risk for this problem.

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Post subject: Re: NEW MUSTANG V OWNER
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:45 pm
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Sorry, I misread the post about the identical electronics. Hopefully, my problem has been solved by the re-set. It has disappeared, for now, at least.

I have the version 2.


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Post subject: Re: NEW MUSTANG V OWNER
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:16 pm
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I've just been reading and posting on another thread, discussing the new Marshall Code modeling amps. If you haven't checked them out, they are pretty interesting, especially being blue tooth compatible, so you can adjust your amp remotely. And the app is pretty neat too, the way it is configured. More about that in a moment.
The debate was, of course, whether the Mustangs have reached their potential and isn't it time to switch? I threw in with the guys loyal to the Mustang. Mainly, because I HAVE one. It does the job, and I have already spent 100% of what it takes to have it, why spend more?
Another thing that I've seen in other discussions of the Codes, is, they seem to VERY Marshall oriented. Marshalls are great, but versatility is the MAJOR selling point of modeling amps, IMHO.
My MVv2 has great Fenders, great Marshalls, and a few other greats.
I know the Marshalls will sound better to some folks, and as we know, that is subjective, and they have the right. I ain't judging.

But, back to "blue tooth". A few years ago I had a computer that was not wireless. So, I put a wireless adapter on it, a "Dongle" I think it was called. They had those for wireless mouses (MICE???) and keyboards back then too. Couldn't you do that on the amp? I wonder about a power supply, but, you have to be pretty near A/C to run it, if any of those adapters are powered that way. I don't know if they would have the right connection either, but there are all kinds of adapters.
Would that give you remote access through Remuda?


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Post subject: Re: NEW MUSTANG V OWNER
Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 7:41 am
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I'm really worried about my MV now. If you've read any of my previous posts, you know I got mine used, with no warranty. Saturday night at rehearsal, the problem I first described about it cutting out, was the worst it's been, the amp was unusable, I had to got my back up.
Yesterday, The amp worked perfectly again.
Here are the details:
I have an older Digitech RP250 processor, with an expression pedal. I have used it with no problems for about 3 years. I set it for ALL emulations turned off, with just volume control on the EX pedal, plugged it into the "INPUT" jack, and the guitar into it. It worked fine for a few minutes, then it started cutting out horribly. The next thing it'll do is start feeding back, at any Master Volume setting. The behavior persisted after disconnecting the Digitech and doing 2 or 3 factory resets. I disconnected the 4 button footswitch, I changed guitar cables, nothing worked. AND the same cable functioned flawlessly on my backup amp.
One thing I have noticed is, this behavior seems to begin after I make a manual perameter setting. the first time it did it was when I turned the gain up (using the digital amp controls, not the knobs) on a setting with the '65 Twin amp.
Here's what I did before playing yesterday:
I have heard that input jacks get dirty, so, I took a cable end (1/4") and rapidly pushed it in and out, on the input and the speaker jacks.
I did not connect the processor.

I wonder if the digital pedal "freaked out" the digital amp?
Would using the Effects Loop have had a different result? I mean is that particular to this amp that pedals need to go through the Loop?

My next step is to get contact cleaner and go to work on the connections in the amp. it has been suggested I "reseat the ribbons". You might as well ask me to re-launch the Space Shuttle, I don't know what that means. I'm pretty good at DIY though.
If y'all have any advise on how to safely clean the connections and how to reseat those ribbons, I'd be grateful.
Do I go in from the large panel in the back, below the speaker and footswitch, etc, stuff?

I have an outdoor job in 3 weeks, and would REALLY like to be able to depend on my Mustang for it. It will be the first show I play with the Mustang, if it proves faithful.
Thanks guys,

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Post subject: Re: NEW MUSTANG V OWNER
Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 8:34 am
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bummer Gus,

I don't know of the RP pedal would cause this. unless you were HAMMERING the input..

and I think the warranty is transferable.

have you contacted Fender customer service at all?


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Post subject: Re: NEW MUSTANG V OWNER
Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 10:28 am
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The v2 units have not even been out long enough to exhaust their 5 year warranty. I would contact Fender immediately to see if they will honor the 5 year warranty and accept the unit for service. If not, then simply open the amp catefully be removing all the screws to extract the electronics deck (chassis) from the casing. You will then clearly see the interior and how the boards and cables interconnect.

There are photos here in the Forums posted by others of their Mustang interiors. Use the Forums Search tool. There are likely also photos under Google "images" of the Fender Mustang Amp interior.

I would start by using compressed air to blow out any accumulated dust grime etc., before spraying the DeOxit. Blow out all the jacks and connectors and potentiometers, and the main Data Wheel encoder. This should be done when you have the chassis removed from the wooden enclosure. Then carefully unplugging every cable connector you can and spraying it with DeOxit or electrical contact cleaner! Then carefully reconnect "reseat" the connector. When you have the unit open also look for any deformed, brown, bubbled, or otherwise burnt areas on the components and PCBs. You probably will not find any.

The above process is not complex nor difficult if you go slowly and proceed carefully.

In a worst case scenario of no Fender coverage and the DIY approach fails to correct the problem, a brand new MV V2 head can often be found for well under $250 when GC has their sales running. Their eveyday price is only $299, and your existing peripherals will still work.

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Post subject: Re: NEW MUSTANG V OWNER
Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 1:13 pm
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and I think the warranty is transferable.

have you contacted Fender customer service at all?


Just got off the phone with Fender. The guy thinks it very likely to be the input jack.
Fender will honor the warranty if I can get the receipt. The receipt is needed 'cuz if you buy a used Mustang from a retailer, like Guitar Center, the warranty is void. It is, however, transferable from one owner to another. The guy I traded with is local to me, so I may try to contact him. Or, I may just take it to the nearby Service Center and see if it is a cheap fix. I don't want to void my warranty. Josh at Fender said I wouldn't necessarily void it by de-oxing the contacts, but, if any obvious damage is there, and they can tell, it will.
Not sure what my best course will be if the receipt is not easily obtainable.


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Post subject: Re: NEW MUSTANG V OWNER
Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 4:38 am
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Contacting the guy you got it from is definitely something I would do to get a warranty repair.

If I had been the previous owner, I would feel obliged to help if I could.

I wouldn't expect paying out of pocket for the repair (while a pain in the .... for sure) probably wouldn't be more than a standard bench charge + materials, the part can't be more than 10/15 bucks..

Good luck Gus, hope things work out in time for your next gig.

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Post subject: Re: NEW MUSTANG V OWNER
Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 6:09 am
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As strange as it may seem, after contacting the guy I got it from, I learned that I am, at least, the third owner of this amp. My guy bought it from Craigslist, just as I did.
So, you take your lumps. I have bought 90% of my gear from C/L for the past four years, and this is the first not perfect item.
My cabinet says it is 8 ohms, but, I got it used also. If my speakers had been changed to ones with an ohm rating of less than 8, would it cause what I am experiencing?
I plan to check my speakers to see if they are stock regardless.


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Post subject: Re: NEW MUSTANG V OWNER
Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 7:31 am
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The only time you're really asking for issues is under 4 ohms, and no one in their right head would do that intentionally.

the norm is 16 or 8,... but even 4 ohms is ok, note that every time you half the ohms, you kinda double the rms value of the amp. so running anything at 2 ohms,... unless designed for this, wont run for too long! :)


and I don't think the problem you describe would be caused by this, running an amp too hot ohms wise would either damage the output section completely, or the speakers. Either way, this wouldn't result in this intermittent issue you are seeing, a bad solder joint or a failing input jack is more likely your issue.

you should contact an authorized service center asap, sometimes these repairs can take a few weeks round trip.


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Post subject: Re: NEW MUSTANG V OWNER
Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 12:46 pm
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Gus, not sure if you are a DIYer (do it yourself) but I replaced an input jack along with a stereo jack on a Fender amp not too long ago. I bought the jacks from Fender and I had all of the soldering equipment except I had to buy a solder sucker. Didn't even know what those were but they heat up the solder and then they suck the solder off of the PCB (printed circuit board) so you can remove the bad jacks and then solder the good ones back into place. Overall, I felt really good about what I had accomplished and I saved a lot of money doing it myself. It wasn't a Mustang amp but you might try to talk to a tech who has done it or maybe find a YouTube video of someone doing it.

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Post subject: Re: NEW MUSTANG V OWNER
Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 1:18 pm
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I appreciate it. i think the first step is to de-oxify or clean all those contacts, jacks, pots, etc. And I'll see if I can figure out how to re-seat my ribbons, as I've been told that may also help.

Then I'll probably pay the minimum $50.00 bench charge at my local Fender Authorized Repair Center and see if it's something I want to pay to fix. If it's more than I feel the amp is worth, I'll tie it to my fishing boat as a decent anchor. Unless it floats...live well?


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Post subject: Re: NEW MUSTANG V OWNER
Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 5:52 pm
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Whatever you do Gus, don't watch this video; you might get discouraged. This guy has a Mustang 1 which cost him a hundred dollars and he spends hours upon hours, and he buys parts trying to fix his broken headphone jack and he completely obliterates his amp with holes to where his amp looks more like Swiss cheese when it is over. The funniest DIY I have ever seen. :lol:
https://youtu.be/HKFYEcOEz0I

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Post subject: Re: NEW MUSTANG V OWNER
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 3:59 am
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his amp looks more like Swiss cheese when it is over.

yea,, that was pretty amusing! :lol:


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Post subject: Re: NEW MUSTANG V OWNER
Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 9:56 am
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I cannot find anything that shows how to install Fuse. I looked in Fender's tutorials, on YouTube, and Googled it...nothing. Does it explain itself when you attach the amp?

Does the amp have to be turned on when you start?

I will also have to use a Celeron processor. The speed is faster than the minimum requirement, but, it isn't an Intel, per se. Will that work?

Can you use Mozilla Firefox, or Chrome, or do you have to be on Explorer?

I don't want to mess this up. Any help will be appreciated.

Gus


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