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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:22 pm
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One thing I will add is that if you are trying to choose between the III and the IV, they sound very different to me. I owned both v2 models, and while the software is the same between the two amps, the speakers are not. For me, the Mustang III is awesome, loud, bright and clear...it cuts well in a band situation. The IV on the other hand, has more low end and is muffled sounding in comparison...no matter how I dialed it in. It sounds fine on it's own, but did not work in a band setting for me. I ended up selling the IV, as I greatly prefer the III's added clarity and punch.
I've always preferred how the MIV (v2) 2x12s move more air and delivers a fuller bottom with somewhat richer lower mids. Yes, they do use different model
Celestion speakers and sound different; the MIII brighter. I opted not to return my MIII (v2) when I got the MIV (v2). I often use them together. With my Les Pauls, Strat, or Sheraton II Pro, I have not found the MIV (v2) to lack clarity, edge, nor brightness.


Are you playing solo or with a band...I had both amps side by side, using identical presets, and to me it was a night and day difference...so much so that I actually called Fender, because I thought something was wrong. I also went to GC and tried two different amps, side by side, same result. I tried to use the IV at band rehearsal, and the band complained because they couldn't hear it, they loved the III. The only way I could brighten up the IV was to turn off the cab sims...but I sold it, I found the III to be louder and punchier...much better for my purposes.



No lack of clarity with my M-IV and plenty of cut, I play with another guitarist in my band and this amp puts out a wall of tone.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:23 pm
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J.LaGrassa wrote:
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swturpin wrote:
One thing I will add is that if you are trying to choose between the III and the IV, they sound very different to me. I owned both v2 models, and while the software is the same between the two amps, the speakers are not. For me, the Mustang III is awesome, loud, bright and clear...it cuts well in a band situation. The IV on the other hand, has more low end and is muffled sounding in comparison...no matter how I dialed it in. It sounds fine on it's own, but did not work in a band setting for me. I ended up selling the IV, as I greatly prefer the III's added clarity and punch.
I've always preferred how the MIV (v2) 2x12s move more air and delivers a fuller bottom with somewhat richer lower mids. Yes, they do use different model Celestion speakers and sound different; the MIII brighter. I opted not to return my MIII (v2) when I got the MIV (v2). I often use them together. With my Les Pauls, Strat, or Sheraton II Pro, I have not found the MIV (v2) to lack clarity, edge, nor brightness.
Are you playing solo or with a band...I had both amps side by side, using identical presets, and to me it was a night and day difference...so much so that I actually called Fender, because I thought something was wrong. I also went to GC and tried two different amps, side by side, same result. I tried to use the IV at band rehearsal, and the band complained because they couldn't hear it, they loved the III. The only way I could brighten up the IV was to turn off the cab sims...but I sold it, I found the III to be louder and punchier...much better for my purposes.
No lack of clarity with my M-IV and plenty of cut, I play with another guitarist in my band and this amp puts out a wall of tone.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:16 am
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the III and the IV are definitely different sounding amps, I'll give him that one entirely.

The III is brighter and more focused with the single 12, and sure, it's probably a better speaker.

I can't say I had the same problem with the "cut" issue with the IV.

I have used both in rehearsal situations, and have only used the IV on some gigs, but it cut thru the stage mix just fine. The other guitar player in the band has a III, I think the IV covered more stage area.

Of course, in all gig situations we were mic'd, and had a decent monitor mix too.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:47 pm
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I do sometimes encounter switching latency when switching between presets, although it often only occurs when switching between two drastically different amp models/configuration or from a very, very clean preset to a very, very dirty preset.
This can be solved by avoiding the first situation or, in the case of the second, edit your preset settings to utilize the volume settings of your guitar (as you turn it down, it should get cleaner, although it will lose a little high end in the process). It's a simple fix, and if you don't overdo it can increase the versatility of your presets!

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:09 pm
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I do sometimes encounter switching latency when switching between presets, although it often only occurs when switching between two drastically different amp models/configuration or from a very, very clean preset to a very, very dirty preset.
This can be solved by avoiding the first situation or, in the case of the second, edit your preset settings to utilize the volume settings of your guitar (as you turn it down, it should get cleaner, although it will lose a little high end in the process). It's a simple fix, and if you don't overdo it can increase the versatility of your presets!


A bit concerning, but the Mustang is still in the running as my disgust with Peavey has totally taken the Vypyr pro out of the running. Whatever I do get will be for live use, no esoteric variety of presets, and would basically be utilizing it as a 2 channel amp/pedal board. Chorus, comp, flange, delay, verb, would still use dedicated wah & phase.

The lack of spillover and tails concern me still, but maybe you guys can enlighten me as to effects order/placement. Let's say, using FUSE, would it be possible to place an eq or clean boost last in the chain, and be able to stomp this effect on or off as a clean boost for leads? Number 1 is tone, I don't need a twin or jc clean - Marshall clean would be perfect, but if the drive tone is not there, it's not happenin (think JCM or Evh 5150 III blue channel). Also, I don't want be fighting the amp or playing guessing games over preset unity levels - this will be a working amp, so in every respect, it has to functionally be every bit as capable as my current rig. I am looking for something pretty much grab and go when I don't feel like dealing with my full rig.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:08 am
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Let's say, using FUSE, would it be possible to place an eq or clean boost last in the chain, and be able to stomp this effect on or off as a clean boost for leads?

yes, stomp effects are (if you look at fuse) prior to the amp in the signal path.

I have a V1, which only has one basic overdrive, and a few compressors, which I can use as a boost or OD

My options are a bit more restricted than on the V2 amps,... but in practice, yea.. it does work.

What I tend to do instead, is have two presets next to each other, (like preset 10 and preset 11),,, using a British 70s (which is a marhsall plexi preset), it's easy to go from a "clean" preset to one that's not so clean, just going "UP" or back "DOWN" one preset. Since the amp models are the same, and the only exception being the amp volume/gain settings, it works out ok. You're right that trails from the delay wont continue during that switch.

I am looking for something pretty much grab and go when I don't feel like dealing with my full rig.

exactly why I have a III and a IV, there are times when the much heavier tube amps, with the pedal boards, and all the necessary hook ups aren't practical, like if you're in a multi-band set up, where quick on/quick off is what is required, these fill that niche. But, as in everything else, there's some compromise to deal with. But if it's just for one set, I can live with it.

If my band is doing a full 3/4 set night, I'll usually bring one of the tube combos with my pedal board, as I don't need to be extremely efficient with load in setup / break down and load out.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:21 am
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Using FUSE or REMUDA you may reposition FX in the signal chain.

The same Amp profile saved to adjacent (or desired Quick Access fsw Presets) with slightly different Gain, Volume, and Drive FX levels may do it for you.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:51 am
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Alright dudes,

I pulled the trigger on a III and have been putting her through the gauntlet. Opted for the 4 button too. Learning a lot bout what amp models I do/don't like, as well as the limitations of the amp. I had my heart set on the IV, but after hauling my dsl40c in from closed off streets last weekend, I forced myself to abandon that idea. Doable without, but considering the exp I as well. Thanks for all the feedback guys. Hopin to break her in on a live gig this weekend if I can set it up to be functionally adequate.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:29 am
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Alright dudes,

I pulled the trigger on a III and have been putting her through the gauntlet. Opted for the 4 button too. <snip>
Congratulations! Post questions so Forum members can help you dial it in! Also, post which Amp profiles and settings, and FX configurations you like best.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:22 pm
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First, let me share what I don't like, or more accurately what the Mustang III limitations are:

Footswitch - Doesn't latch, accidental random switching. Biggest issue here: can't see the display in sunlight (proven as my first gig with this baby was a small outdoor gig)

Fuse software does not let you type in values (to the best of my knowledge). For instance, pitch shifter for detune effect, flanger, etc.

Delay - I have not seen 8th, dotted 8th, etc. Seems there is one pattern setting and that's it.

While accurate in their portrayal, certain amp models I could either do without or use more. They dida realistic portrayal of the JCM 800, but I could've used a modded version, a 900 also, or keep up with the times and do a DSL and JVM.

THE GOOD

My favorite amp model so far is the Super Sonic, thing sounds great.

Guys in the band had plenty of compliments.

This amp can gig, with barely breaking a sweat. More to learn, will post more if I do.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:00 am
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+1 for the SuperSonic model, love that as well. Most used model for me is still the 65 Deluxe.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:39 pm
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+1 for the SuperSonic model, love that as well. Most used model for me is still the 65 Deluxe.
+1. The Deluxes, Twins, and Studio Preamp are my most often used Clean Amp Profiles. Bassman and Supersonic (Burn) are my go to drive Amp Profiles.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:40 am
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Also loving most of the 60s model Fenders for cleans.

I knew this before buying the amp, but nevertheless, gigging with this amp has reinforced my realization: I am not a preset guy (let me clarify by saying yes, presets, but not for channel switching)

My wish is that you could switch amp channels in a preset, alas, that cannot be done. I am not much of a dirt pedal guy, more of a Marshall dude with a clean and gain channel. I was (and still am to a degree) a four cable guy, and using the RP1000, only time used the onboard OD pedals was for low gain-in between dirt. Now the Mustang has onboard OD pedals, but on my lead/gain patches the stompbox is relegated to clean boost duty, thus I can't use an OD. Let's say I'm using an OD in a clean patch: all well and good, but then I can't use a compressor. Guess what? Yep, have to save another preset.

I know some of you guys may be thinking just duplicate the preset, only louder for a clean boost: not practical for a fairly diverse cover band. Play a clean solo, I have a clean boost in front for that right now. I don't use a compressor a lot, but nice to have when needed - which you can't have if using onboard OD. Let me be real clear, my vision of the Mustang was as a light, grab and go, channel switching amp. This, it can do, and do it well, depending on how diverse your set list is, and how accurate you care to be. But let's be real, not without some limitations.

Could I use the effects loop for a clean boost? Yep, but I don't want to utilize the fx loop unless it is an always on situation and sitting on top of the amp, not on the floor, like a delay. I did try that, with trying to use one of the weird onboard filter delays as a clean boost, which worked to a degree, but the filter effect remains. I don't want use effects loop pedals on the floor because coming from a four cable environment I want to minimize cable clutter.

Therefore, my realization is that either I need a two channel OD or another multi effects out front. This pains me, because I really love the Super Sonic and the Marshall Super Lead. If I go to an OD out front, I need a good clean amp platform. The whole aim of this is to return/stay in a channel switching environment, and not so much a preset environment. My main system (RP1000) consisted of six presets and only three of those used for the bulk of the set (everything else accomplished via channel switching).

One of my biggest annoyances so far, besides the delay limitations, is with the pitch shifter. Let's say I want to use a detune effect and I want to set it to detune about 7 cents, etc. Sound easy right? Nope, not with the Mustang: the designers thought it best that no, we're only giving you + or - .20, .40, .60 etc. - absolutely no fine control - which you absolutely need with a harmonizer/detune effect.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 1:35 pm
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None of the Mustang's 17 Amp Profiles include multiple amp channels (clean, drive, etc.) for any individual Amp Profile.

The closest thing is to alter an individual Amp Profile's Parameters and Advanced Amp Parameters. Then, save the altered configuration as it's own Preset. If saved to (or subsequently moved) to a memory Preset adjacent or proximate to your original memory Preset, the new altered Preset will be more readily available to access (switch to) during a performance.

If the above covers most of your tone needs, then the stuff below makes things easier....

Using the Mustang's footswitch Quick Access feature enhances this a bit. However, it too has limitations. The Mustang III's included two button footswitch can provide two Quick Access Preset assignments or an Up/Dn Preset Navigation capability. The Mustang III's optional 4 button footswitch provides Mode 1 for Quick Access to three Presets, and Mode 2 Up/Dn Preset Navigation.

The REMUDA Android App gets you REMUDA's Performance Mode feature! This brings the abiliy to change Quick Access Preset footswitch button mapping for each Song in your REMUDA SetList. When you change songs in your REMUDA Setlist, REMUDA swaps the footswitch's Quick Access Preset assignments to match your defined Presets so you have full access to as many Presets as you may need during a Set. There is no way to do this using FUSE.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:06 am
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Yeah, I know there are no amps with multiple amp channels. Not my point - my desire, and what I'm used to, is to be able to switch channels within a preset, rather than having to switch presets, in turn doubling up on presets, and in some cases tripling them. Yeah, I know this is not possible due to the Mustang design architecture. This along with effect type limitations, as well as individual effect limitations is forcing me to think of some creative solutions to overcome/live with the Mustang's limitations.


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