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Post subject: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:12 pm
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Hi guys,

I have some questions regarding the mustang iii and iv. I'm looking for an easier setup for smaller gigs/backup to my DSL40C, and have narrowed it down to either a mustang, Vox VT100X, or possibly hold out fro a Marshall Code.

My main question is (previous Cyber Twin SE owner) regarding channel switching. Can you switch from say a twin model to a british or 5150 within the same preset. I don't want to switch presets to change amp models (delay spillover, etc. and reverb settings important here). Merely adding an overdrive to a clean patch would be unacceptable 90% of the time or more. Also some concerns regarding the open back cab.

Thanks

Let me add, they don't have to be different amp models, preferably not: for example, switch from jcm clean to crunch or lead, or 5150 clean to crunch, etc. (do you guys know is the 5150 a take on Peavey, or the EVH 5150 III, and how faithful is it to the original?)


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:33 pm
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The Mustang III/IV/V are single channel amps with Seventeen (17) Modeled Amp Profiles. Each Amp Profile is available from the Amp Menu when editing any of the One Hundred (100) individual Presets. Any of these 100 Factory Presets may be changed and Saved to your configuration. Those in default Preset memorys 83-99 are without any FX configured.

The concept of how the Mustangs work and are best used, is based entirely on one of these Presets in use at any one point in time. The Mustang IV/V include the 4 button footswitch that makes this much easier. This is an extra cost option for the Mustang III. The Mustang IV/V also have Stereo FX I/O.

Once you select an Amp profile, you can save multiple -- slightly differently configured -- variations of that Amp profile as different Presets. For example, in one instance you may use the factory configuration of that amp profile and save it as your own alphanamed and numbered preset. In another you may opt to use the identical Amp profile with a higher (or lower) Gain, Preset Volume, Bias, Sag, Advanced setting Master Volume, etc. And save it as you wish to name it in the memory slot of your choice. This regardless of whether you may opt to include FX saved in the Preset(s). When using the Mustang, you would select one or the other Preset. This is the way the Mustang provides an equivalent to changing channels. The 4 btn fsw, provides direct Quick Acess to three of your designated Presets (mode 1). Mode 2 allows navigation up/dn through the presets. Mode 3 is bypass/enable FX and there is also a Tuner mode accessible via the fsw and on the amp.

Unless you use the Android Remuda App, each time you bring in a new Amp profile (from the previously mentioned Amp Menu) it will come into your Preset with the Factory values for all the Amp profile's parameters. The REMUDA App however remembers your preferred settings! This is alos true for REMUDA when using the FX. Fender FUSE nor the Amp panel controls provide this "remembering" capacity.

In the overall context, the easiest thing to do is use the fsw to chage between your customized and saved presets, regardless if they are slightly varied versions of the same amp profile, or you may choose to switch amp profiles (and perhaps cab simulations) for your presets. It is often best to also approximately SPL balance your Presets so they suit your mix and band situation.

The Mustang III/IV are open back. The Mustang V head has a matching closed back 4x12 cabinet. Depending on your SPL needs, they can each get very loud! They also have XLR line outs if you need to go Direct to the board/PA/FOH.

Hope this helps. Post further questions if you have any. Happy to help.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:01 pm
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MusicLaw, what are you drinking?
You are the smartest guy I barely know and your advice is *always* spot on but there was something a little different in your last post. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
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Just kidding bro. Just a few misspelled words and such. I totally understand the taxation you must go through to be the Angel that you are. We all benefit from your input which is brilliant. :)

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:15 pm
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Thanks MusicLaw.

So, my understanding is that it must be accomplished via preset change. I am assuming then, there will be some latency if I have 2-3 identical presets, for instance changing from clean to crunch, and will lose delay and reverb trails, i.e. no spillover. Hmm, gonna have to think about this one...


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:57 am
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I've got a III and a IV, IME the latency has never been an issue for me, the most amount of time you will spend making the changes as seamless as possible is probably down to volume leveling.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:42 am
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I second what KidBlast said, volume level balancing is more of an issue than latency, haven't had any problems with latency.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:41 am
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HIO wrote:
MusicLaw, what are you drinking?
You are the smartest guy I barely know and your advice is *always* spot on but there was something a little different in your last post. :lol:
:lol: Hey man, thanks for pointing this out! You're absolutely right! Way too many Typos! I was too hurried to proofread before posting. I Had a Tri-Tip on the BBQ demanding my frequent attention. Worse yet, the virtual keyboard on this Samsung TabPro does not highlight questionable spelling nor word usage in the body of the message. There's only a lame word suggestion bar.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:30 pm
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EVH5150I wrote:
Thanks MusicLaw.

So, my understanding is that it must be accomplished via preset change. I am assuming then, there will be some latency if I have 2-3 identical presets, for instance changing from clean to crunch, and will lose delay and reverb trails, i.e. no spillover. Hmm, gonna have to think about this one...
Yup, you switch between (your) customized Presets.

Depending on which amp profile you're staring with, you might find that configuring one single Preset to use one of the Mustang's on-board Stomp FX might be suitable to accomplish the difference between Clean and Crunch. You would save the Preset with the FX configured but bypassed. Stomp on the fsw btn and you have your Crunch setting. Personally, I find I get more distintive results by using different Presets (regardless if the same amp profile), so I also may tweak the Preset's Gain (and multiple other parameters) regardless if the Stomp FX is the primary distinguishing aspect of the two to accomplish Clean vs Crunch. YMMV. This is where the Mustang's magic can really shine!

I have not had objectionable latency switching between Presets using the 4btn fsw (Mode 1 nor Mode 2). My Quick Access fsw assignments are not usually on contiguously numbered presets. For example, QA: 1, 2, 3 on the fsw may be using Presets 9, 16, 79 in one case, and, 11, 15, 23 in another.

The reason I mention this is because most people are more familiar with using (turning) the Amp's Data Wheel to get from one Preset to another. One rotational click, up or down, or, several with a faster/further spin of the Data Wheel. This can exhibit a slight switching latency, however, this is not how the Mustang is best used when playing. Use the footswitch!

As all the factory presets vary significantly in relative Volume (SPL), and Presets 00-82 have FX enabled, so there are often distinct differences. Many users new to the Mustang notice this "difference'' when first exploring the amp at the store. Once you set up your amp to your liking, you will almost certainly gain stage all your Preset parameters and arrange your presets for your needs. Also, some great results can be obtained using different speaker cab settings (in Advanced Amp parameters) while keeping the same Amp profile in different presets, as well as the converse, by using the same speaker cab setting with different amp profiles.

The REMUDA App brings the convenience of easy drag and drop reorganizing of Preset and Signal Chain Positioning, as well as full deep Advanced editing. And, REMUDA's Performance Mode automatically handles changing your footswitch Preset Quick Access button assignments for each Song in your SetList! You can't do this with FUSE nor using the Amp alone.

I have not had problems with any of the Mustang's on-board FX (Stomp, Mod, Reverb, Delay) tails getting abruptly truncated by switching a Preset. My first thoughts are: wait a bit longer before switching to the next Preset, or, use the same/similar FX configuration in the next Preset (even though you may want the FX bypassed).

Fender has the EXP-1 Expression and Volume Pedal as an extra cost option available for the Mustang III/IV/V. This provides far more agility to control any selected Parameter Value (and alternatively Volume). Each of the Mustang's 100 Presets can store an individual and different configuration for the EXP-1 Pedal. You can do this via the amp, FUSE, and REMUDA.

Also check out the Fender Mustang Amp and FUSE Wikia

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
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One thing I will add is that if you are trying to choose between the III and the IV, they sound very different to me. I owned both v2 models, and while the software is the same between the two amps, the speakers are not. For me, the Mustang III is awesome, loud, bright and clear...it cuts well in a band situation. The IV on the other hand, has more low end and is muffled sounding in comparison...no matter how I dialed it in. It sounds fine on it's own, but did not work in a band setting for me. I ended up selling the IV, as I greatly prefer the III's added clarity and punch.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:33 pm
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MusicLaw wrote:
HIO wrote:
MusicLaw, what are you drinking?
You are the smartest guy I barely know and your advice is *always* spot on but there was something a little different in your last post. :lol:
:lol: Hey man, thanks for pointing this out! You're absolutely right! Way too many Typos! I was too hurried to proofread before posting. I Had a Tri-Tip on the BBQ demanding my frequent attention. Worse yet, the virtual keyboard on this Samsung TabPro does not highlight questionable spelling nor word usage in the body of the message. There's only a lame word suggestion bar.

I was *TOTALLY* kidding about those few typos; bring on the typos it is the content that counts. I just intuitively knew though that you were doing something fun out in the sun. 8)

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:07 pm
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HIO wrote:
MusicLaw wrote:
HIO wrote:
MusicLaw, what are you drinking?
You are the smartest guy I barely know and your advice is *always* spot on but there was something a little different in your last post. :lol:
:lol: Hey man, thanks for pointing this out! You're absolutely right! Way too many Typos! I was too hurried to proofread before posting. I Had a Tri-Tip on the BBQ demanding my frequent attention. Worse yet, the virtual keyboard on this Samsung TabPro does not highlight questionable spelling nor word usage in the body of the message. There's only a lame word suggestion bar.

I was *TOTALLY* kidding about those few typos; bring on the typos it is the content that counts. I just intuitively knew though that you were doing something fun out in the sun. 8)
I'm cracking up as I read this. It's all good! No worries! Please do let me know when there are that many typos. Seriously!

When I'm wailing away typing on this tablet's virtual keyboard it simply cannot keep up. Unlike a real keyboard and a PC, even the tablet designed USB or Bluetooth keyboard units have far too much latency for high speed touch typists! It's very sad indeed as many users have limited skill beyond "all thumbs" text messaging. ;)

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
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swturpin wrote:
One thing I will add is that if you are trying to choose between the III and the IV, they sound very different to me. I owned both v2 models, and while the software is the same between the two amps, the speakers are not. For me, the Mustang III is awesome, loud, bright and clear...it cuts well in a band situation. The IV on the other hand, has more low end and is muffled sounding in comparison...no matter how I dialed it in. It sounds fine on it's own, but did not work in a band setting for me. I ended up selling the IV, as I greatly prefer the III's added clarity and punch.
I've always preferred how the MIV (v2) 2x12s move more air and delivers a fuller bottom with somewhat richer lower mids. Yes, they do use different model Celestion speakers and sound different; the MIII brighter. I opted not to return my MIII (v2) when I got the MIV (v2). I often use them together. With my Les Pauls, Strat, or Sheraton II Pro, I have not found the MIV (v2) to lack clarity, edge, nor brightness.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III & 4 questions
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:28 am
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MusicLaw wrote:
swturpin wrote:
One thing I will add is that if you are trying to choose between the III and the IV, they sound very different to me. I owned both v2 models, and while the software is the same between the two amps, the speakers are not. For me, the Mustang III is awesome, loud, bright and clear...it cuts well in a band situation. The IV on the other hand, has more low end and is muffled sounding in comparison...no matter how I dialed it in. It sounds fine on it's own, but did not work in a band setting for me. I ended up selling the IV, as I greatly prefer the III's added clarity and punch.
I've always preferred how the MIV (v2) 2x12s move more air and delivers a fuller bottom with somewhat richer lower mids. Yes, they do use different model
Celestion speakers and sound different; the MIII brighter. I opted not to return my MIII (v2) when I got the MIV (v2). I often use them together. With my Les Pauls, Strat, or Sheraton II Pro, I have not found the MIV (v2) to lack clarity, edge, nor brightness.


Are you playing solo or with a band...I had both amps side by side, using identical presets, and to me it was a night and day difference...so much so that I actually called Fender, because I thought something was wrong. I also went to GC and tried two different amps, side by side, same result. I tried to use the IV at band rehearsal, and the band complained because they couldn't hear it, they loved the III. The only way I could brighten up the IV was to turn off the cab sims...but I sold it, I found the III to be louder and punchier...much better for my purposes.


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swturpin wrote:
MusicLaw wrote:
swturpin wrote:
One thing I will add is that if you are trying to choose between the III and the IV, they sound very different to me. I owned both v2 models, and while the software is the same between the two amps, the speakers are not. For me, the Mustang III is awesome, loud, bright and clear...it cuts well in a band situation. The IV on the other hand, has more low end and is muffled sounding in comparison...no matter how I dialed it in. It sounds fine on it's own, but did not work in a band setting for me. I ended up selling the IV, as I greatly prefer the III's added clarity and punch.
I've always preferred how the MIV (v2) 2x12s move more air and delivers a fuller bottom with somewhat richer lower mids. Yes, they do use different model
Celestion speakers and sound different; the MIII brighter. I opted not to return my MIII (v2) when I got the MIV (v2). I often use them together. With my Les Pauls, Strat, or Sheraton II Pro, I have not found the MIV (v2) to lack clarity, edge, nor brightness.


Are you playing solo or with a band...I had both amps side by side, using identical presets, and to me it was a night and day difference...so much so that I actually called Fender, because I thought something was wrong. I also went to GC and tried two different amps, side by side, same result. I tried to use the IV at band rehearsal, and the band complained because they couldn't hear it, they loved the III. The only way I could brighten up the IV was to turn off the cab sims...but I sold it, I found the III to be louder and punchier...much better for my purposes.



No lack of clarity with my M-IV and plenty of cut, I play with another guitarist in my band and this amp puts out a wall of tone.

What amp models were you using?


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