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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:26 am
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it is slightly different than the retail G12T-100 and made to some spec fender requested.


I would LOVE to have the Fender cabinet, if it were practical. Right now, it is not. And, I am getting good tone from my Line 6, which is loaded with "Custom Celestions". As far as I can tell from researching the web, they are made to Line 6's specs, for these cabs.

If you think about it from a marketing P.O.V., the price of each cabinet ($299.99 for either at G/C) it is hard for me to think that the Rocket 500's are a huge upgrade from the Custom Celestions, as speakers go. That leaves the only difference being, one speaker was chosen by Fender for Fender, a specific amp, and the same is true for the Line 6. Both are consumer priced modeling amps. How much difference could there be in each company's criteria for designing low end speakers? Just one man's opinion.

Still, if I get in a position to change to the Mustang cab, I will. I promise.


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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:28 am
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The In The Blues, Mustang Mondays guy: Shane, posted earlier this year that he has sold his Mustang and switched to a Peavy modeling amp. I do not recollect seeing if he replaced the original Mustang speaker. On Shane's own In The Blues Forum, other users have inquired why he switched. Surprisingly, Shane has not responded directly nor meaningfully in response to their inquiries. Only another of Shane's YouTube vids, this about the Peavy, was posted. The vid includes a brief mention of the Mustang w/o any meaningful comparison.

Above all, remember that everyone hears slightly differently! So what you like may differ from the next person. Moreover, each physical speaker and cabinet configuration typically also has its own voicing. Good examples of this can be found by simply switching through the several speaker cabinet simulations in the Mustang's Advanced Amp settings. In particular, each of the 4x12 have a slightly different voicing emphasis. These attempt to closely replicate (via DSP EQ) the voicings of the various speaker cabinets. Some of these component differences may also be seen by viewing Celestion's frequency response curves (on their website) for their various 12" Guitar speakers.

Gus, the Line 6 4x12 cabinet you have is likely to be very similar to the Mustang's 4x12. Use the Mustang's Speaker cabinet simulation you feel sounds best to you for each amp profile you like, and the Spkr Cab Sim also has an "Off" setting that some prefer for certain amp profiles. Remember too, that each time you change the Mustang's selected amp profile setting, the spkr cab sim reverts to the factory preset for that currently selected Amp profile! The spkr cab sim is not a global setting in the Mustang! Thus, when you find the configuration you prefer, make sure to Save that as one of your Presets! [Note: Only if you use the REMUDA App does REMUDA remember your preferred Amp and FX configurations! On the Amp itself and w/ FUSE, you are always starting from scratch with each Amp profile or FX selection. The workaround is Save the settings as a Preset!]

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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:17 am
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Thanks, MusicLaw.
I was first introduced to digital or modeling through a Digitech processor. I learned real quick the benefits of saving presets when you got the one you like.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that my MV can give me 95% of the original tone of the Amps it is emulating. And I'm just giving up that 5% for our tube purist friends. Lots of digital amp enthusiasts say its ALL there. But, I get that for $600.00! I might occasionally find a beat up Reverb for that, but not likely, or often. Forget about a Marshall tube amp, a Mesa, or a Vox AC. Some Peavey tube models can be bought for that, (and they are FINE amps IMHO), but not a 5150. Some of the smaller Fenders, probably, but they will come with limitations. 17 amps for $600, even at 95% is a no-brainer for this working class stiff.


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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:35 pm
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Above all, remember that everyone hears slightly differently! So what you like may differ from the next person. Moreover, each physical speaker and cabinet configuration typically also has its own voicing.

I call it the ear print principle. Everyone's ears are physically designed differently like a finger print therefore everyone is going to hear differently. Ears are like opinions, most everyone has two of them. :)

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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:50 pm
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For collectors, investors, or tone purists seeking the genuine article, any amp they like is a valid choice to capture the genuine article.

With the Mustangs, I appreciate their approximating the various amp profiles and FX provided, however, I far more so appreciate their ability to cook up my own recipe of parameters to get what I like!

There is also no disputing the physical feel and layout of an amp's knobs, switches and controls that play a big part in how comfortably a user feels using the amp. Obviously, in addition to the amp's sound, tone, and responsiveness. The Mustang's controls are very nice. However, they're not as sweetly dampened as many high end amp knobs, and lack any saavy motorized features as found on high end mixing console faders which instantly assume their configuration with each recalled Preset or programmed playback. Even the FUSE and REMUDA User Interfaces have their own differences. And, in the overall price spectrum, the Mustangs are a bargain!

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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:50 am
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The In The Blues, Mustang Mondays guy: Shane, posted earlier this year that he has sold his Mustang and switched to a Peavy modeling amp. I do not recollect seeing if he replaced the original Mustang speaker.


There is a lot to say about this, but the fact i this guy is nothing more than another mustang user who just happens to have decided to make videos about his passion for it. He switched but that doesn't mean the pv is better in the slightest. Thats subjective, AND for all you know he will at some point come back to the mustang and realize he likes it better. Maybe not. But theres no reason to put any stock in his opinion any more than any other player of equal experience. I DID take one thing he said to heart and it was a big mistake. He recommended a certain eminence speaker and i bought one due to his excitement over it. I don't profess to be the all knowing guru of tone, and tone IS subjective, but that speaker just killed the mustang. And while it's subjective it just changed things in ways i doubt many players would like in a double blind test. Lets face it, tho tone is subjective i don't think anyone wants for example a guitar that has no sustain and a very thin sound. I don't think thats very subjective. Thats how i felt about that speaker. I couldn't dump it fast enough. I know how this goes and it's happened to me a million times thru the years.....you swap something out and think you hear a improvement but at some point you change back for one of several reasons, maybe just curiosity, only to find the tone is actually better with the original part. And as much as he raved about that speaker, do you think if that happened he;s going to make a youtube video telling everyone how wrong he was, especially knowing many people probably bought one on his advice?

I'm sure plenty of mustang owners heard he change to a PV and felt thier mustang is now obsolete, but he;s one man and his opinion is no more important than the next guy. I'll tell you this much....the mustang is fender's best selling amp and also takes up a lot more forum space than the PV stuff and THAT my friends is a much more telling thing than one man's opinion. I and still of the opinion that the mustang as well as other modelers are so incredibly tweak able that it takes a long time to fully tap it's potential, and some never quite get it. You may THINK you have but there may be some sounds in there you haven't found and would have eventually had you kept it. I just came up with my fav patch to date recently after 2 years of ownership. I have tried his patches and felt they were not much better then the stock ones so maybe he switched because he never quite found the amp's potential.


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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:41 am
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Shane seems to be all over the place. he's been doing demos of just about anything he can get his hands on.

Take what any of this kind of promo's offer as a grain of salt.

we simply must trust our own ears,.. no one can make these decisions for us. we're all seeking something a little different.

I have a lot of fun with my mustangs, they definitely have a place in my bag of tricks. They can do a lot of things and do these things fairly well.

However I've no plans sell the three tube combos I have either, as they do have their own place for me. I like what they do, and they sound great.


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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:32 am
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Two of the best tips I've seen recently on the In The Blues site were from another dedicated Mustang owner: bsas who wrote:
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Yep, for me the Mustang fulfills two amazing roles and I will never sell it:

1) Cheap gig amp pedal-free: I have a lot of pedals, some expensive (even more then the Mustang, damn G.A.S.) and I really don't want them to be destroyed by a drunk dude spilling his bear over my pedalboard. Also, I have some tube amps and I definitely don't want them to burn in bad power outlets from $@!&#* venues. So, the Mustang is cheap enough, sounds awesome, and I don't need any pedalboard. Grab guitar, amp + footswitches (inside it) and done.

2) Power amp: I have some pre-amp pedals and I also have an AxeFX. For both, I can use the FX loop in "looper mode" and use the Mustang as basically a powered monitor. Really cool to play like that, and you can't find a 100W power amp + cab as cheap as the mustang itself!

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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:33 am
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Two of the best tips I've seen recently on the In The Blues site were from another dedicated Mustang owner: bsas who wrote:
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Yep, for me the Mustang fulfills two amazing roles and I will never sell it:

1) Cheap gig amp pedal-free: I have a lot of pedals, some expensive (even more then the Mustang, damn G.A.S.) and I really don't want them to be destroyed by a drunk dude spilling his bear over my pedalboard. Also, I have some tube amps and I definitely don't want them to burn in bad power outlets from $@!&#* venues. So, the Mustang is cheap enough, sounds awesome, and I don't need any pedalboard. Grab guitar, amp + footswitches (inside it) and done.

2) Power amp: I have some pre-amp pedals and I also have an AxeFX. For both, I can use the FX loop in "looper mode" and use the Mustang as basically a powered monitor. Really cool to play like that, and you can't find a 100W power amp + cab as cheap as the mustang itself!

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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:16 pm
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MusicLaw wrote:
1) Cheap gig amp pedal-free: I have a lot of pedals, some expensive (even more then the Mustang, damn G.A.S.) and I really don't want them to be destroyed by a drunk dude spilling his bear over my pedalboard. Also, I have some tube amps and I definitely don't want them to burn in bad power outlets from $@!&#* venues. So, the Mustang is cheap enough, sounds awesome, and I don't need any pedalboard. Grab guitar, amp + footswitches (inside it) and done.


Wow I could have easily have written this!

But never mind the punters I dropped my floor monitor on the Stang back in November 2015 while setting up for a gig. Bent the top a bit but it still works like a trooper. Use that amp virtually everyday; so easy to use, fun and great sounds to be had. In truth since I bought a Yamaha THR100 I don't gig out with the Mustang everytime these days, but it still gets an outing for certain gigs; small venues, tight setups, crowd on top of you places, multiple doors; long walks and charity gigs where the amps are poor unknown or none existant.


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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 4:37 am
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I wouldn't say I'm "jumping ship" completely, but I am ordering a POD HD500x, which will be what I use at any gigs with a PA & the occasional time I fill in at a church. I'm going to try it out for recording as well this summer.

I'm still going to keep the Mustang III, probably with a good Princeton setting as the default, primarily for working on jazz stuff, and I'll keep my favorite blues patches within reach for small venues that don't have a PA or have limited input options.

I've been looking into getting a Marshall CODE at some point in the future, but we'll see.

I've been very happy with the Mustang, and I'll definitely keep using it for certain things. However, I feel that the next generation of modelers is here, and it is better from what I've hearing in demos and reviews. It is fairly obvious to me that Fender is no longer putting more than the minimum effort into maintaining and updating the mustang series, and I'm almost insulted by the lack of support put into Fuse. I love Fender products and it's a shame that they didn't continue developing their modeling technology - but such is life. It's a great little amp and it's been a great way to get a grip for using modeling and what can be done with it. I'm looking forward to expanding on it with the Pod.


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