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Post subject: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:04 pm
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I've come to the conclusion that my wait for a "Pro" or at least next generation version of the Mustang Floor has been for naught. I've tolerated Its effects loop hard wired in the pre position and its lack of a graphic or parametric EQ long enough.

If the Helix proves that Line 6 has learned its lesson and that Yamaha, after buying Line 6, has made the right course corrections, my MFloor will be relegated to "backup" status.

Most disappointing, Fender. I could have spent that money on one of your products!


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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:27 pm
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I am beginning to wonder about the future of the Mustang line. I just got the new Sweetwater catalog and I could not find any of the Mustangs listed. Maybe I missed it.

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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:09 am
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I just bought the Mustang IV again clearly knowing that Fender isn't putting much effort into the Mustang amp line it's still a fine amp. It would be nice though to see some updates to the firmware but it does seem like the Mustang Line will be gone soon... plenty of other choices out there.


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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:35 am
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Archtop Bill wrote:
I am beginning to wonder about the future of the Mustang line. I just got the new Sweetwater catalog and I could not find any of the Mustangs listed. Maybe I missed it.


It's easy to miss them, Bill. They're not grouped with the other Fender amps, but are listed at the bottom of page 122, along with some other programmable amps.

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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:43 am
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rudorama wrote:
It's easy to miss them, Bill. They're not grouped with the other Fender amps, but are listed at the bottom of page 122, along with some other programmable amps.


Okay, I found them. But it's all the same bunch of amps. Nothing new and no floorboard. :roll:


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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:08 pm
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Yes. Fender has not released anything new in the Mustang product line for several years. The Mustang Floor and Mustang Mini are no longer in production nor in the product line. Sweetwater's catalog has for the past year or two only had a brief section for the Mustangs, and no inclusion of any of the accessories (footswitches, EXP-1 Pedal, covers). Nonetheless, Sweetwater does stock those items.

As the Fender Mustangs Amps carry a 5 year Fender warranty, and they are so reasonably priced, so long as the product meets your needs at the time of your purchase, you can count on getting at least 5 solid years of use from the product! Five years after your purchase, you'll still have a great amp in the Mustang, and you can always get whatever is compelling at that time.

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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:09 pm
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rudorama wrote:
Archtop Bill wrote:
I am beginning to wonder about the future of the Mustang line. I just got the new Sweetwater catalog and I could not find any of the Mustangs listed. Maybe I missed it.


It's easy to miss them, Bill. They're not grouped with the other Fender amps, but are listed at the bottom of page 122, along with some other programmable amps.


Rudorama, Thanks! I thought They were in there somewhere. Surprised they were not with other Fender amps.

Too bad the Mini is out of production. I do feel it is a great battery powered amp that is under appreciated.

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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 8:14 am
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I guess Fender has come to the "run their course" for life expectancy.

hey guys, don't worry, it's normal..

nothing last for ever....


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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:57 am
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Gone soon? I don't think so. For one fender stated a while back the mustangs are thier best selling amps ! I have also never seen on ANY forum any other modeler that has had so much attention and love except maybe kemper at $2000 plus.

And while i know those who couldn't find great tones in it will disagree with me vehemently, I am positive most of those simply have not been able to find the tones they want not because of the limitations of the mustang, but because there are so many possibilities. I find things regularly after 2 years that allow me to do things i couldn't till then. It;s the nature of having a ton of settings that together give you almost limitless possibilities. No doubt many if not the majority of people aren't going to find what they need even if it's in there in spades. Thats the strength of the mustang and it's weakness at the same time depending entorely on the user and how lucky he gets and/or how much he puts into it. I'm a tone hound. Anal as hell about tone. I've been playing 45 years, i'm a tech who has built his own amps from scratch after years of every amp imaginable trying to find my holy grail. The best i found was an amp i built and spend 10 years tweaking. I got the mustang on a fluke, and a while back i GAVE that tube amp i spent a large potion of my life perfecting to a friend's son.

I don't say the mustang is perfect. No amp is. But it's so good IF you happen to find the right settings and models to the degree you need to that no one tube amp is going to be better. The mustang may not get your fav sound compared to your fav tube amp, but it'll get so close that the tiny cost, the tons of internal effects, and the ability to make many many more tones than your fav tube amp and have them all available to you instantly make it well worth having 5% less great of a tone than that tube amp's one tone. personally however, it's taken a long time but i have gotten mine to where i sacrifice zero tone over that tube amp i built and gave away or any production or boutique amp i have owned. It even does cleanup with the guitar volume better than any amp i ever owned barring a non master amp on 10. But then where will you be able to use an amp like that anyways. And even there it gets very close.

So while the mustang isn't universally liked, i'd be willing to bet the majority of those who pass or move on do so because they simply have not been able to find the best tones of the type they love that the mustang is capable of. Yes, i know a bunch of people will chime in to say thats not true. But after finding better and better tones in mine even after 2 years i refuse to believe them. They just THINK they tried hard enough. On the other hand, if it;s too much trouble for them, i totally get that and understand. For me however i look at it like this.....i'm a tone hound and after decades of buying amps and never being satisfied for any length of time, i find the time i have spend experimenting with the mustang to be a small privce to pay. And look at the results....a total tube amp freak who's extremely hard to please thats happier with his mustang after 2 years then when new, far longer than any of the tube amp's he's owned. i likely would have sold that amp i built and spent years tweaking if i were able to sell a home made amp ! Anyways, flame me, don't care. the mustang has proven to me it's capable of far more than most are willing to spend the time finding in it.


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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:15 am
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It was never my intention to infer the Mustangs are bad amps. I got great service out of the IV and I am keeping my Mini.

I just outgrew the IV as my main amp.

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Post subject: Not giving up my v2 Mustangs: III & IV!
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:40 am
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<Snip> I am positive most of those simply have not been able to find the tones they want not because of the limitations of the mustang, but because there are so many possibilities. <Snip> It;s the nature of having a ton of settings that together give you almost limitless possibilities. No doubt many if not the majority of people aren't going to find what they need even if it's in there in spades. Thats the strength of the mustang and it's weakness at the same time depending entorely on the user and how lucky he gets and/or how much he puts into it. I'm a tone hound. Anal as hell about tone. <Snip>

I don't say the mustang is perfect. No amp is. But it's so good IF you happen to find the right settings and models to the degree you need to that no one tube amp is going to be better. The mustang may not get your fav sound compared to your fav tube amp, but it'll get so close that the tiny cost, the tons of internal effects, and the ability to make many many more tones than your fav tube amp and have them all available to you instantly make it well worth having.... <Snip> It even does cleanup with the guitar volume better than any amp i ever owned barring a non master amp on 10. <Snip>

So while the mustang isn't universally liked, i'd be willing to bet the majority of those who pass or move on do so because they simply have not been able to find the best tones of the type they love that the mustang is capable of. Yes, i know a bunch of people will chime in to say thats not true. But after finding better and better tones in mine even after 2 years i refuse to believe them. They just THINK they tried hard enough. <Snip> Anyways, flame me, don't care. the mustang has proven to me it's capable of far more than most are willing to spend the time finding in it.
You nailed it! I'm right there with you. The Mustang's Magic arrives once you pass the learning curve!

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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:08 pm
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Yes, oczad nailed it MusicLaw. I am a tone snob as well and have played so many amps for decades it is ridiculous and professionally since late 70s. I had Mesa Boogie build me a custom amp that was ridiculously expensive after touring their facilities, meeting everyone including the president. Returned it two weeks later because I am a tone snob. You need to know how to dial it in with the Stangs to get that amp, effects, and tone... and then comes the versatility??? Forgetaboutit. Not to say I might eventually pick up an AXE FX but for now i am sleeping with my two Stangs and my wife is jealous as hell.

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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:07 pm
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I agree that a lot of people do not take the time required to really work it.

having done so myself, I know that it is worth every hour you spend sorting all the details out with Fuse and the deep editing capabilities. IMHO, it's what separates the Mustangs from the other modelers from the same time,, (5 / 6 years ago)

predecessors will come with each technology wave with these amps, I have to think with it's success, Fender will take the next step eventually.

We know Marshall is at it with the CODE combos, so maybe another step forward for this class of amplifier starts there.. or is Marshall just behind the curve completely, and trying to catch up?

Either way, I'm interested to see the next gen of these amps.


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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 8:09 pm
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oczad-thanks for a great statement.

I have been playing on and off since 1960. during that time a had some great and some not so great amps. a year ago I tried the mustang 3 v.2, and after a half hour it came home with me. why?

I wants an amp that gave me a variety of sounds at a fair price, was easy to use, and light weight. being dependable was a plus. for my purpose, which is jamming with friends and the occasional gig,it does the job very well.

would I put it against a high price high quality tube amp? no. but the mustang does its' job very well.


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Post subject: Re: I may be jumping ship as well...
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:02 pm
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First, let me say that for the Fender amp simulations, the Mustangs are killer but for me, it's three things missing on the Mustang Floor that has forced me to look elsewhere. A Parametric EQ, the ability to have an over drive and a compressor simultaneously and (and this is the big one) an effects loop that can be Pre or Post amp sim. As good as the M-Floor sounds, it is completely hamstrung by the lack of this last feature.

I realize that the V2 Mustangs have that last ability that I mention but alas... there is no Mustang Floor V2. And no, I do not want to get one of the new amps as they don't give me instant access to the presets I use and I can't run acoustic sounds out of an amp. Well, I could but it sounds like Krap.


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