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Post subject: Daft question about stomp boxes
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:41 am
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I find that the stomp box models in the Mustang III V2 don't give me the volume lift I want for solos - especially playing into a dirty amp model (I'm talking bluesy crunch here, not real high gain).

Given that the amp is digital is there any risk to using separate boost and overdrive pedals? Is it possible to do any damage with a 'too hot' signal?

Anyone else using pedals with their Mustangs?


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Post subject: Re: Daft question about stomp boxes
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:23 am
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Generally speaking Mustangs take pedals fine.

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Post subject: Re: Daft question about stomp boxes
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:42 am
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I agree, same on the V1, and there's not a lo of options beyond the stomp settings.

But here's one way to solve your problem.

Let's say your preset is in position 10,

copy your preset to position 11 (hit Save, move dial to 11)...

Crank the "amp" volume setting to where ever your little heart desires... save..

when you want to hit the wall, just go "up" one preset to 11, when you're done, back to 10

That's at least how I solved the issue on my III and IV v1 amps.


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Post subject: Re: Daft question about stomp boxes
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:08 pm
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Method 1:

KidBlast wrote:
Let's say your preset is in position 10,

copy your preset to position 11 (hit Save, move dial to 11)...

Crank the "amp" volume setting to where ever your little heart desires... save..

when you want to hit the wall, just go "up" one preset to 11, when you're done, back to 10


Method 2:

If you have the (optional) expression pedal, set it to expression mode. Then set your "normal" volume to the heel position, and the slightly higher volume to the toe position.

Heel = Rhythm
Toe = Lead


But yes, these amps take pedals just fine. I haven't noticed any difference from using a regular solid state amp. I have also used my Boss GE-7 pedal (Graphic Equalizer) as a boost. This can be done one of 2 ways:

1. Change the EQ to make the lead cut through (usually by adding mids)
2. Leave the EQ flat, and use the volume slider on the pedal

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Post subject: Re: Daft question about stomp boxes
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:02 pm
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southpaw_pete wrote:
I find that the stomp box models in the Mustang III V2 don't give me the volume lift I want for solos - especially playing into a dirty amp model (I'm talking bluesy crunch here, not real high gain).



It won't add volume with a regular tube amp either if the amp is already distorted. You are hitting the mustang's input with more signal when it;s already distorted which like any amp just creates more OD, not volume. The simple fix is to do one of the few tweaks that can only be done in fuse because it's not available from the amp. On any patch you want the pedal to give a volume boost, hook up the amp to PC then drag the stomp to the other side of the amp. Then hit the save button on the amp and whatever patch you are on will now have the stomp models AFTER the amp and that should give you more extra volume when you hit them then you could ever want, so be careful. I haven't tried it with the mustang but no reason it shouldn't work the same as with any tube amp if you put the pedal in the effects loop, which will indeed add a ton of volume depending on the pedal's setting of course. .

By the way, on a related subject here's something for everyone to try who doesn't care for the modulation effects. Try doing just what i explained with the mod effects but opposite......put them BEFORE the amp. I thought the chorus was a useless POS till it hit me i always much preferred modulation effects like chorus and flange etc in FRONT of the amp. It now sounds so much better i actually like the chorus. Not the best Ive heard by any stretch, but very usable now where as before i never used it because it was worthless. Same thing for all the other mod effects. The just tend to work better before rather than after the distortion.


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Post subject: Re: Daft question about stomp boxes
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:55 pm
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For those with Android devices, the REMUDA App has easy Drag and Drop Signal Chain element repositioning right from within the Direct mode Preset Editor dialog window. Support for the EXP-1 Expression & Volume pedal, is under consideration by the App's developer.

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Post subject: Re: Daft question about stomp boxes
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:07 pm
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oczad wrote:
It won't add volume with a regular tube amp either if the amp is already distorted.


On a tube amp that might be exactly what you want - the signal causes harmonic breakup. The Mustang, being solid state, doesn't do that.

Generally speaking, you do not want to hit any SS amp with a boost pedal (or boost function on a drive or fuzz pedal), unless you only want to increase the volume and there's enough headroom to do so. In which case you could just turn up the volume.
If you want to get the typical tube effect of a boost, where you can have a clean sound when playing softly and crunch when hitting the strings harder, you have to use the "boost pedal" that's built-in in firmware. If the SS amp itself clips a too strong signal, it will sound awful.


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Post subject: Re: Daft question about stomp boxes
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:53 pm
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uh, nope. Not at all. I dunno what models you tried it with, but some don't, some do just as well as a tube amp ! He's not asking for that, but since you are bringing up the subject of hitting a distorted amp with a clean boost to drive it into more distortion, the mustang DOES do it and just fine. Some models may not but the ones i use do. The bassman and the supersonic. I have tried others that also do it like the marshall models, but the superS and bassman are the 2 i have always used most. I have noticed the deluxe doesn't work that way worth a %$#@ but thats the only one i recall doesn't. In any case, i used a clean boost to drive tube amps for more drive for 25 years on stage and i am fully aware of how it all works, and the mustang absolutely will allow you to slam the input. It's designed in every way to act like a tube amp and the input was designed to work that way just the way they designed the master and gain to act similarly.

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oczad wrote:
It won't add volume with a regular tube amp either if the amp is already distorted.


On a tube amp that might be exactly what you want - the signal causes harmonic breakup. The Mustang, being solid state, doesn't do that.

Generally speaking, you do not want to hit any SS amp with a boost pedal (or boost function on a drive or fuzz pedal), unless you only want to increase the volume and there's enough headroom to do so. In which case you could just turn up the volume.
If you want to get the typical tube effect of a boost, where you can have a clean sound when playing softly and crunch when hitting the strings harder, you have to use the "boost pedal" that's built-in in firmware. If the SS amp itself clips a too strong signal, it will sound awful.


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