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Post subject: Re: NAMM
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:35 am
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That's exactly what I said. Normal.


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Post subject: Re: NAMM
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:07 pm
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I really like the Mustang amps, and the "Fuse" software is really nice, even though it gives me the hebegebees with the Mono and Silverlight installs on OS X. Though, it's been pretty solid for me.., knock on wood. Silverlight is really a dead software platform, Microsoft had announced end of life for Silverlight in 2013 and just recently Adobe has done the same for Flash/Air, which is the Silverlight competitor. So one can only guess that "Fuse" is dead, or at least this incarnation. Does, this also mean the Mustang and Bronco hardware are end of life, too?


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Post subject: Re: NAMM
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:22 pm
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Did anything new actually show up on Mustangs in NAMM 2016?
I hope Fender doesn't let the Marshall Code eclipse the Mustang. I won't change, but, I am stingy with my money.
One thing I did notice, comparing prices at Sweetwater. I have a Mustang V head. The code is about $50 more, so not really a deal breaker, if you thought the Code was the better product. BUT, my Mustang comes with a 4 channel Foot Switch, the Code only has a 2 channel, and the 4 channel is about $70 more. Now I realize the Mustang has an optional 2 channel, but, given the choice between a 4 channel and a 2 channel free, I give the edge to Mustang on foot switches, and, by default, price. I don't see $120 more in the Marshall.


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Post subject: Re: NAMM
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:53 pm
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GUS MCRAE wrote:
Did anything new actually show up on Mustangs in NAMM 2016? .

Zilch, Nada, Nothing!

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Post subject: Re: NAMM
Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 4:17 am
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the 4 button fender FS is 69 dollars, the 2 button fender FS is 29,

so it's pretty much the same, just depends on what amp you buy with the fender,

the three only comes with a 2 button, the four and five w/only the 4.


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Post subject: Re: NAMM
Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 7:12 am
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I DID mention in my post that I own the Mustang V head, so, comparing what I have with the Code, makes my statement accurate.
However, I don't expect everyone to feel the way I do. For ME the Mustang is good enough, that spending the extra money for the Code, based on what I heard on the Atherton's link posting the Code review, is not something I would consider.
I have no doubt that lots of players will see the Marshall as money well spent, and find it far superior to the Mustang. I'm okay with that. it is a fine product.


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Post subject: Re: NAMM
Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 8:29 am
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It's all subjective Gus I'm quite happy with the mustangs too. I use both 2 and 4 button setups with mine.

I was simply pointing out that the costs of the footswitch even for the fenders was comparable with what marshall will charge. I bought the four button when I got the three,... and then eventually bought the IV so I have 2 4 buttons, but only one 2.

if it's true that the CODE's will represent (I hope) the next leap frog step in this technology, that makes them of interest to me enough for me to at least pickup the 1x12 50 watter where as the V1 to V2 upgrade on the Mustangs, was not enough for me to justify chasing the newer version.

Eventually everything is obsolete when it comes to the tech aspect of products like this. it's just a matter of when we as individuals are looking to turn the previous stuff over for the new.


since yours is a v2 and, the CODEs even in the smaller factors, are still about 2 or 3 months from being available, you're still in the pocket unless you're going to jump entirely and go with a line 6 helix or a profiler.. yea,, me neither..


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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:56 pm
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This past summer I finally bought a Marshall CODE 50. I really was interested in a Mustang III or IV, but the end of life of the Silverlight software which the FUSE UI is built upon and the unknown future state of the FUSE software was a risk to steep to take.

I like the CODE50 hardware, but the CODE software is not the caliber of FUSE's feature and functions.
The FUSE desktop app has a great integration into the FUSE web site and the ability to save and share customized settings.

The CODE50 iOS app known as Gateway which works via Bluetooth, is pretty nice. There is no CODE/GATEWAY MAC OS app. There is no GATEWAY/CODE desktop app as far as I can tell. The features and functionality of the iOS app are nowhere as robust as the FUSE desktop app.

There is no Marshall social site to upload, share and discuss customized settings. There is no way to backup your customized Marshall settings to the cloud or to a desktop app, so if you reset your amp they are gone forever.

Currently there is no way to update the firmware if you own a Mac. Marshall said there is going to be a Mac OS app for firmware updates. That was in June and still there is nothing, no beta, absolutely nothing but silence.

There are numerous firmware bugs so if you own a Mac you are SOL, at least for the time being.

Hopefully the CODE software solutions will get better, but it appears their software team works at brick and mortar speed not web software speed.

I've noticed that the speed of software features and updates in the music equipment industry is really, really bad. It seems when a music equipment company does both the hardware and the software the software portion stagnates. This is the opposite of any other industry where the software and hardware are controlled by a single company. When this happens there is always software updating and adding of software features, constantly. This always happens many times before new hardware ever comes out.

This should have been done with FUSE. For example: When FUSE first came out 2010 the smart phones just started to get powerful enough to run full featured apps. By 2012 smart phones were powerful enough and at least an iOS app should of been built and added as a wonderful addition to FUSE line of software. At least if there was a Fender FUSE iOS app you would know that it would be around a lot longer then Silverlight. Here we are in 2016 with FUSE software that is pretty much the same since the original release and a really uncertain future for the Mustang and FUSE.


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Post subject: Re: NAMM
Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:38 pm
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Interesting read. Thanks for the heads up.

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Post subject: Re: NAMM
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:13 am
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Hi Rod, that was a good post.

I've been planing to pickup a code 50 soon, it's good to hear about these kind of experiences owners are finding.
I have a v1 III and IV, and I agree that the Fuse interface when using a windows PC is excellent. It is disappointing that lack of development these amps have seen, or not, in the last 6 years.

it sounds like Marshall is offering a 2015 product with 1995 implementation standards

thanks!


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Post subject: Re: NAMM
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:51 am
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Update:

As I pointed in my above post the Marshall CODE software team is awfully slow on firmware updates and software application updates, so far for me they have been non-existent. Marshall Code doesn't provide a software solution that provides a community modeling sharing experience. Also, the Marshall support community forum on the website is a horrible experience.

Well there are now two absolutely wonderful and beautiful looking CODE applications and written and provided by customers, NOT Marshall. There is an absolutely fabulous web site where you can share and load preset directly from your CODE amp using the Chrome Web Browser: https://marshallcode.tools/. Also, there is a Windows application https://marshallcode.tools/pc-editor/.

There is also a separate Marshall community forum, I don't think it's run by Marshall: http://www.marshallforum.com/index.php? ... 20/page-11


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Post subject: Re: NAMM
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:34 pm
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robdbirch wrote:
There is no way to backup your customized Marshall settings to the cloud or to a desktop app, so if you reset your amp they are gone forever.

Not entirely true. If you back up your phone/tablet, the settings are backed up too. And unlike a Mustang, you can go to any CODE amp and immediately apply the settings you have on your phone/tablet, without the cumbersome procedure that FUSE has for setting up a new app and transferring settings. It's quite seamless.

And, unlike the Mustang I, II and floor, you can do anything from the amp panel, and don't have to use external software. With the Mustang, only the III, IV and V have panels that allow full setup without external software.
And, well, it's wireless. No messing with error-prone USB cables or USB-OTG with 3rd party apps.

I think where Marshall scores here is in simplicity and reliability. The number of amp models might be low, but you can also dial in any number of presets on-the-fly, and not have to set up a limited set list in advance that you can use with a footswitch. Which might make it easier for the guitarist to focus on playing guitar.

As for the sound, neither impresses me, really. But a $250 amp is never going to sound like a Deluxe Reverb or Bluesbreaker. For what you pay, they are certainly good, but I think the edge right now goes to the Marshall CODE, over the outdated Mustang or digitally-sounding Boss Katana.


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Post subject: Re: NAMM
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:49 am
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arth1 wrote:
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There is no way to backup your customized Marshall settings to the cloud or to a desktop app, so if you reset your amp they are gone forever.

Not entirely true. If you back up your phone/tablet, the settings are backed up too.


This is true if you do a standard phone backup, but this is only the last state of your device when you did a backup. If you have any new settings in the Gateway app and do a restore, which by the way is also true for every app on your phone any changes will be lost! This is ok, for disastrous situations for your whole phone, but not for an app!

Good feedback!


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Post subject: Re: NAMM
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:36 am
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Yesterday Marshall updated their my.marshall.com website and iOS app. The web site included a really great software update for their CODE product line. Addressing most of my original issues with the CODE software. It is a really nice solution that allows you to do everything from a web browser including downloading patches to a CODE amp and syncing with the iOS app. This can be done via the built midi capability in the Chrome and Opera web browsers. It took Marshall quite a bit of time to get the software up to snuff, but now it's on par or above par given their iOS app with Fender FUSE and the Fender Community web site. I just hope Marshall keeps on improving the software and the website and not let them stagnate like Fender did with Fuse and their web site. Fuse was a fantastic app for its time. I am now very happy with opting out of purchasing the Mustang III and going with the Marshall CODE 50 purchase.


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Post subject: Re: NAMM
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:42 pm
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Well,...it's that time of year again and winter NAMM 2017 is in about a week and I was wondering if anyone here was attending. Rumor has it that Fender might have a new modeling amp. If you are going please report back your findings. MusicLaw will you be attending? I dunno, but for some reason I think it might be located in your neck of the woods.

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