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Post subject: Would you pay??
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:44 am
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Just curious how many FUSE heads would be willing to pay $50.00 for an upgrade to FUSE that would contain all the important enhancements we've asked for over the years?

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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:26 am
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someone could do it for free if they´d release the sourcecode, so nah, i would´t pay...
don´t throw good money after bad money.

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Post subject: Re: Would you pay??
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:10 am
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SenorUke wrote:
someone could do it for free

... and then abandon it months later :roll:
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unfortunately I have no intention to support this project any further. it works fine for me and that´s it. best would be to ask fender to implement such features into fuse. good luck.

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Post subject: Re: Would you pay??
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:18 pm
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Nope! It has always been bundled with the Mustang Amps. No reason to change now. Fender can certainly afford to develop FUSE on their own. And, if FUSE ever went to a subscription model, I would not use the software.

On the other hand, I had no objection to contributing/paying a few dollars for the Android Remuda App created by a Mustang Owner/Independent Programmer/Developer! It works great and runs on my Android phone and tablets. It has features and functionality not available from FUSE, like: drag and drop preset repositioning, sorting presets by name, remembers my preferred FX settings, and has a set list and song performance mode that swaps the footswitch quick access button assignments as I change songs. It also has full Amp and FX control and editing. Moreover, Remuda's developer is responsive and working on improvements! :D

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Post subject: Re: Would you pay??
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:40 pm
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MusicLaw wrote:
Nope! It has always been bundled with the Mustang Amps. No reason to change now. Moreover, Fender can certainly afford to develop FUSE on their own. And, if FUSE ever went to a subscription model, I wouldn't use it.

On the other hand, I had no objection to contributing/paying a few dollars for the Android Remuda App created by a Mustang Owner/Independent Programmer/Developer! It works great and runs on my Android phone and tablets. It has features and functionality not available from FUSE, like: drag and drop preset repositioning, sorting presets by name, remembers my preferred FX settings, and has a set list and song performance mode that swaps the footswitch quick access button assignments as I change songs. It also has full Amp and FX control and editing. Moreover, Remuda's developer is responsive and working on improvements! :D


Interesting... do you know if they have created anything enhancements to FUSE for Windows?

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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:22 pm
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MusicLaw wrote:
Nope! It has always been bundled with the Mustang Amps. No reason to change now. Moreover, Fender can certainly afford to develop FUSE on their own. And, if FUSE ever went to a subscription model, I wouldn't use it.

On the other hand, I had no objection to contributing/paying a few dollars for the Android Remuda App created by a Mustang Owner/Independent Programmer/Developer! It works great and runs on my Android phone and tablets. It has features and functionality not available from FUSE, like: drag and drop preset repositioning, sorting presets by name, remembers my preferred FX settings, and has a set list and song performance mode that swaps the footswitch quick access button assignments as I change songs. It also has full Amp and FX control and editing. Moreover, Remuda's developer is responsive and working on improvements! :D


Interesting... do you know if they have created anything enhancements to FUSE for Windows?
As far as I know, Remuda is for Android. I have no idea of he is considering anything for Windows. You could send him an email via the Send Email link at the bottom of the App's page in the Google Play App Store.

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Post subject: Re: Would you pay??
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:03 am
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Strataholic wrote:
Just curious how many FUSE heads would be willing to pay $50.00 for an upgrade to FUSE that would contain all the important enhancements we've asked for over the years?

I would pay for that ONLY IF somebody else than Fender gets to develop and support it. I'm not going to support Fender's policy of telling us "yeah yeah, we're working on it" for years by throwing more money at them.


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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:42 am
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MusicLaw, I'll probably be trying Remuda soon. What is the documentation/instructions like?

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Post subject: Re: Would you pay??
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:11 pm
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MusicLaw, I'll probably be trying Remuda soon. What is the documentation/instructions like?
AFAIK, there are none. The App is very intuitive to use! Aside from what is written about its features on the App Store, there's not much to figure out. In just a few minutes looking at the screens (Direct Mode, Performance Mode, Settings) it all makes sense. And, if you have any questions that what these Mustang User Forums are for.

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:04 pm
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Fender doesn't need to release the source code, the definitions of the data and interface commands for each amp (Mustang V1, V2, GDEC 3 and SCX2) is all that's really required for a programmer to create a Fuse replacement.
I explored the idea a few years ago because I wanted to use Linux instead of Windows. At the time I ran across a project that targeted Mustang V1 amps where the developer had reverse engineered most of the data used by Fuse. I have a GDEC 3 so the project wouldn't work for me, although it could have been a starting point. I contacted Fender about publishing an API document for the amps supported by Fuse but heard nothing from them, apparently they have no desire to support any 3rd party development.

As for Remuda, it is probably written in Java (that's the default language for Android development) which means it should be relatively simple to port to other platforms. The UI won't work but all the communications and data processing code certainly could. I'm not a Java programmer and have never developed for Android but having been a software engineer for 30 years I can say it is possible.

Am I going to write a replacement for Fuse, No, I lost interest in that project when I couldn't get any support from Fender and bought a computer that was fast enough to actually load Fuse in less than 5 minutes. Would I pay money for a replacement, again No. There are no real enhancements I want over the current version with the exception of eliminating use of Microsoft Silverlight which is highly unlikely to happen.

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Post subject: Re: Would you pay??
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:38 pm
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neuwirth wrote:
MusicLaw, I'll probably be trying Remuda soon. <Snip>
If/when you do, post your comments to the other thread here in the Forums so all can share in the learning. The Developer has read those posts and is working on making it even better. I'd imagine he would appreciate additional input and feedback.

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Post subject: Re: Would you pay??
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:20 pm
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I have already paid for an amp that included software to use it. I should not have to pay again to get something that works fully.

My best course of action, as I see it, is not to throw good money after bad, but to advise everyone I talk to to never buy anything from Fender that has software as a component, and why exactly that is. From my point of view, Fender really doesn't stand behind their software, nor products that use it.


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Post subject: Re: Would you pay??
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 7:59 pm
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When you buy into Technology Products of this sort, what you are purchasing is what you get at the time of purchase. There is no manufacturer commitment to enhance anything, unless expressly so represented. Bugs and defects are something entirely different. Nonetheless, purchasers often grant themselves an expectation and entitlement that the manufacturer is under some sort of duty to improve the product. Such is not he case. If the product doesn't suit your needs at the time of purchase don't buy it.

The Mustangs v2s are astounding! They meet everything I expect of them and far more. Should they get better as a result of software and firmware enhancements teriffic. That would be a bonus.

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Post subject: Re: Would you pay??
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:30 pm
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Who knows - perhaps Fender fears that the platform might become too accurate and attractive and that it will eat into revenues from their huge involvement in tube amplification. :shock:

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Post subject: Re: Would you pay??
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:13 am
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MusicLaw wrote:
When you buy into Technology Products of this sort, what you are purchasing is what you get at the time of purchase. There is no manufacturer commitment to enhance anything, unless expressly so represented. Bugs and defects are something entirely different. Nonetheless, purchasers often grant themselves an expectation and entitlement that the manufacturer is under some sort of duty to improve the product. Such is not he case. If the product doesn't suit your needs at the time of purchase don't buy it.

You are right, and I would give up my expectations in a heartbeat if it wasn't for Fender telling us (not to say lying to us) about how they didn't abandon FUSE at all and they were still working on it for years now.

It's not unreasonable for people to expect further development for a computerized product. Especially if the vendor "would like their feedback". Other vendors manage to keep even quite old models up-to-date software wise.

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The Mustangs v2s are astounding! They meet everything I expect of them and far more. Should they get better as a result of software and firmware enhancements teriffic. That would be a bonus.

Agreed. And if Fender would say that outright, I wouldn't have a problem with it.


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