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Post subject: Re: Onwards, to futility!
Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 2:15 pm
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SenorUke wrote:
arth1 wrote:
Their "promise" from last year did not actually promise anything, if you read what it actually says, and not the positive tone. It's a writ of mollification, nothing more.

yet still there is a bit of truth in it:
Fender FUSE Software Information Statement wrote:
Please keep in mind that we may or may not be able to accommodate your specific feature request

I think it´s save to say they are not "able" to fulfill any kind requests.

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Doesn't Fender get it???? There are plenty of other companies out there that support their products and have comparable, if not better products than they do.

Fender Mustang is a dead horse, thats why people move on. I have quite a bit of digital gear for creating music and Fuse is by far the worst piece of software I´ve seen so far.
Meanwhile other companies outdistance Fenders software engineering while we talk. Only a hand full of die hard Fanderbois and Fender itself cannot see the bigger picture.


SenorUke:

OK...I think I've had it with Fuse—and Fender, to a point. I love my Stratocaster and won't give up on that. But I am tired of the waiting for Fender to do SOMETHING with Fuse!

So, I'm actually beginning to toy with the idea of trading in my Mustang III for a similar amp (yes, still digital) that has all the bells and whistles of the Mustang III. I love the Mustang's many presets, and the fact that I can create presets of my own. If Fuse were worth a damn, I would be using it.

My question: What other amp manufacturers have amps that have the same capabilities as the Mustang III? This is NOT a facetious note in the least. I am a "babe in the woods" as far as amps go and I need your help—and that of anyone else who wants to jump in here. Educate me, please. Or tell me where I can find that info on the web. Really, I'm looking for alternatives but I don't have any idea where to start.

Can you help me with this?

Thanks.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Would Like Your Feedback...
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 12:08 pm
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Dear Fender® FUSE™ Users,

We understand the concerns that have been expressed on the Forum regarding the status of updates to Fender® FUSE™ software, and the question of whether Fender intends to continue development of this platform.

We would like to reassure users of Fender FUSE that Fender is indeed continuing development on the Fender FUSE software, but we are not able to share any details regarding future products. We will offer additional information as it becomes available.

Thanks very sincerely for your support of Fender FUSE and Fender FUSE connected products.

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Post subject: Re: Onwards, to futility!
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 6:20 am
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SenorUke wrote:
Fender Mustang is a dead horse, thats why people move on. I have quite a bit of digital gear for creating music and Fuse is by far the worst piece of software I´ve seen so far.
Meanwhile other companies outdistance Fenders software engineering while we talk. Only a hand full of die hard Fanderbois and Fender itself cannot see the bigger picture.

The Mustang is a Dead Horse? That's funny because mine is alive and kicking. Fuse is a GUI. Nothing more nothing less. Does what I need it to do when I need to do it. If you have anything below the Mustang III and thus do not have the LCD screen, and you are not addicted to tweaking, you can easily set the amp up for minimal need for Fuse as I have. Program the FX knobs for on the fly adding of FX, and save 8 basic amps to the orange bank so they don't get overwritten. Done and Done. Want extra options? Get a couple extra pedals? Want to do so on the cheap? Behringer and Joyo come to mind.

Updating Fuse will not add an extra stomp to the mustang line, a FIRMWARE UPDATE to the Amp will and that's IF the DSP can handle it.

The 59 Bassman and 57 Deluxe presets I've been using sound BETTER to me than the day I bought the amp. Why? Because I've gotten good at using it. So no moving on here. And I doubt I'm the only one.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Would Like Your Feedback...
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:43 am
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If future firmware updates won't run on the current amps then there's no hope to say that the planning will be any better later. I just bought a Mustang 1 v 2 fully hoping that I'd get hooked and move further up the line which is the way they designed it. Here I am.
Fender is no different than any other company that doesn't want to talk about development and I don't blame them. You never know. They might soon post announcing that FUSE is now an android app. I hope there's enough users still around who care. Otherwise I'll have to buy a $1000 lap top to control a $100 amp?
Looking at the posts here doesn't encourage me about the release cadence. Not to mention the distance between customer support and the devs. That's a bad omen too.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Would Like Your Feedback...
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 12:00 pm
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Fender TSL wrote:
Dear Fender® FUSE™ Users,

We understand the concerns that have been expressed on the Forum regarding the status of updates to Fender® FUSE™ software, and the question of whether Fender intends to continue development of this platform.

We would like to reassure users of Fender FUSE that Fender is indeed continuing development on the Fender FUSE software, but we are not able to share any details regarding future products. We will offer additional information as it becomes available.

Thanks very sincerely for your support of Fender FUSE and Fender FUSE connected products.


The following is just my opinion, and not that of anyone else.

As I see this comment, Fender is saying two things.

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We would like to reassure users of Fender FUSE that Fender is indeed continuing development on the Fender FUSE software,

If this is true, than why is Fenders keeping us in the dark? Why is Fender unable to share any details with us about Fuse? Only three possible conclusions.

1. They are actually working on adding some or all of the things we have requested Fender to add/change in Fender Fuse software. (if they are they should tell us)

2. They are not going to do anything with Fuse, and are working on a new product which will render Mustang amps and Fuse obsolete. (And that is why Fender won't say anything)

3. They are creating a replacement for Fuse that will have some/all of the updates we have been asking for. (in which case why would Fender want to hide the fact that they are actually addressing our concerns?)

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but we are not able to share any details regarding future products. We will offer additional information as it becomes available.

I think this sentence says it all. Future products! No one cares about future products when our current product needs updating and fixing. We, your Customers, have spent hundreds of Dollars and many, many hours of using the Mustang Amp and the Fuse software. We are invested in Mustang and Fuse!!!

Fender, you are just making Mustang owners angry because of your lack of communication. PLEASE quit keeping us in the DARK !!!!! Fender TSL......Put yourself in our shoes. How would you feel? No relationship can last if there is no communication. It's like, telling your Wife, "I can't tell you anything now.... But just know I'm working on it". The Wife wouldn't put up with it for one second. And we have given Fender over a year to do something.

If we didn't like your product, we wouldn't be here asking for Fuse updates and fixes. We really like the Mustang Amp. And your Fuse software had real potential. All we want is for the Fuse software to make it a little easier for us to use our Mustang Amps. Is that to much for Customers to ask?

*** This will be my last post until we either
1. hear something more than "We are working on it", or
2. they do away with the Mustang Amp and Fuse, like they did with the Fender Floor unit.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Would Like Your Feedback...
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 1:30 pm
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Well, they might be planning a move that requires new hardware. When companies do that too often, they can lose their fan club (except Apple). Maybe v2 is running it's course and I should have looked into it more closely. What eats me is the Silverlight thing. They would need to have more of a plan put out there for me to budge toward buying bigger ones so all the hush hush is a mixed bag.


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Post subject: Re: Onwards, to futility!
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 1:39 pm
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captainc wrote:
SenorUke wrote:
Fender Mustang is a dead horse, thats why people move on. I have quite a bit of digital gear for creating music and Fuse is by far the worst piece of software I´ve seen so far.
Meanwhile other companies outdistance Fenders software engineering while we talk. Only a hand full of die hard Fanderbois and Fender itself cannot see the bigger picture.

The Mustang is a Dead Horse? That's funny because mine is alive and kicking. Fuse is a GUI. Nothing more nothing less. Does what I need it to do when I need to do it. If you have anything below the Mustang III and thus do not have the LCD screen, and you are not addicted to tweaking, you can easily set the amp up for minimal need for Fuse as I have. Program the FX knobs for on the fly adding of FX, and save 8 basic amps to the orange bank so they don't get overwritten. Done and Done. Want extra options? Get a couple extra pedals? Want to do so on the cheap? Behringer and Joyo come to mind.

Updating Fuse will not add an extra stomp to the mustang line, a FIRMWARE UPDATE to the Amp will and that's IF the DSP can handle it.

The 59 Bassman and 57 Deluxe presets I've been using sound BETTER to me than the day I bought the amp. Why? Because I've gotten good at using it. So no moving on here. And I doubt I'm the only one.



captainc:

Thanks for putting this into perspective for me. You're right: A Mustang amp is a Mustang amp and FUSE is FUSE and the problems with FUSE do not detract from the fact that the Mustang is a great amp.

I liked my Mustang I so much that within two months I went out and upgraded to the Mustang III, just so I could get the capability to create and adjust presets. The III has so much going for it. It's powerful. It's versatile. It's easy to operate. It has great sound. It's light.

And those are just the basics. What other amp gives you 100 presets built-in...that you can tweak as you want—or replace with new presets that you can create on the fly? Yes, I would like FUSE to work better to help me organize those presets. But the point is: I have a great amp!

So, no, I'm not gonna trade it in. And, yes, I have to remember that I'm dealing with two different entities: a great amp with poor software.

I love the amp. I'll wait on Fender to fix FUSE...or let it die.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Would Like Your Feedback...
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 6:13 pm
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Well, I myself will not be buying a Mustang III until I see something that is compelling soon because there's a lot happening now. I bought my first Fender amp in '70, owned a few more and skipped the Marshalls because I was lucky enough to buy a few of the first GK 200RG's. They still do magic today and I don't regret sitting out the last 30 years of amps at all. I wanted to know what was happening with Fender lately and like I said, looks good, but has to be taken in context.
Nobody is anything now without good support because the players are skittish like never before. Look at how your biggest fans are burning and you can't tell them a thing. I would not want to run a company today that depends on proprietary software because if some competitor doesn't reverse engineer the tricks then an insider will sell them anyway. I say work on the hardware, loosen up on the software and the fan club will be there for you if you have the sound. The Mustang is ingenious, hooking users with the 1 and having the full line to buy up to. I am totally there. But FUSE? Seriously?
Give the devs some room to flex their muscle and let them shine.
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Post subject: Re: Fender Would Like Your Feedback...
Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 1:55 am
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I have a little pet peeve that would really make using the software a lot easier:

How about fixing the compatibility issues when using Windows 8/Silverlight 5?

When I try to pin Fuse software to the task bar, the icon changes to something not Fender (and very generic) and when I try to launch the software, I get an error message.

Things like this make me believe that fender is going to stop supporting the software which is troubling since I just dropped a decent amount of money on a new Mustang V and 4X12 Cabinet.



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Post subject: Re: Fender Would Like Your Feedback...
Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 11:09 pm
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I hope there's enough users still around who care. Otherwise I'll have to buy a $1000 lap top to control a $100 amp?

You're better off buying an old $500 laptop.

- FUSE doesn't work on high resolution laptops where the DPI has to be set to higher than 125% or so to avoid text becoming flyspeck. You will only see parts of the display, with stomp boxes and such being displayed outside the (non-resizeable) FUSE window. That excludes many newer laptops.

- Nor can you stream audio to or from a Windows 7 laptop with only USB 3.0 ports. In Windows 7, USB 3.0 drivers run in user space even in USB 2.0 compatibility mode, and the 3rd party software Fender uses doesn't support user space drivers. So better get one that has at least one physical USB 2.0 port, i.e. an older and cheaper model.
(Or downgrade to Windows 8, where MS backed off security and again made USB drivers run in ring 0.)


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Post subject: Re: Fender Would Like Your Feedback...
Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 11:23 pm
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DaddySatyr wrote:
How about fixing the compatibility issues when using Windows 8/Silverlight 5?

Don't hold your breath. Silverlight has been deprecated for two years now, and Microsoft will only support bug and security fixes to Silverlight itself, and not support Silverlight development, nor implement new features like high-DPI scaling support.
Fender porting FUSE to something else does not seem likely.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Would Like Your Feedback...
Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 3:18 am
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It's really simple.
Does the Mustang line sell well with the current (POS) FUSE software? Yes, it does.
Would it sell better with a new FUSE software? Maybe.
Enough to justify the effort required? I seriously doubt it.

IF there really is any development going on, it will be for a Mustang v3 or an entirely new product line. NOT for the existing models.

And what do you expect Fender officials to say? "Yes, the new FUSE will actually run on iOS and Android and Windows 10 natively, but it will only work with our completely new product line coming out next spring"?
Sales on the v2 line would drop like a stone.


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Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 5:27 am
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ChrisH1 wrote:
It's really simple.
Does the Mustang line sell well with the current (POS) FUSE software? Yes, it does.


Does it? They discontinued the Mustang Floor already.
It could just as well be that they continue selling it to (a) get rid of existing inventory, and (b) not to leave a gap that would cause customers to go elsewhere while they're readying the replacement for the line.


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Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 5:47 am
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arth1 wrote:
ChrisH1 wrote:
It's really simple.
Does the Mustang line sell well with the current (POS) FUSE software? Yes, it does.

Does it?

I don't have any US figures, but Thomann lists the MIIIv2 as their 4th best selling solid state amp. The MIv2 is 5th place and the MIIv2 7th.
http://www.thomann.de/gb/prod_rank.html?ar=305260

Looks good to me.


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Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 6:11 am
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ChrisH1 wrote:
arth1 wrote:
ChrisH1 wrote:
It's really simple.
Does the Mustang line sell well with the current (POS) FUSE software? Yes, it does.

Does it?

I don't have any US figures, but Thomann lists the MIIIv2 as their 4th best selling solid state amp. The MIv2 is 5th place and the MIIv2 7th.
http://www.thomann.de/gb/prod_rank.html?ar=305260

Looks good to me.


Looks good to me, too!


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