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Post subject: Re: Fender Would Like Your Feedback...
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:11 am
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I have acquired a Mustang Floor lately and I am quite impressed with it.
I have been checking the MIDI implementation and I have some notes/bugs/suggestions/requests to share with you,

First I will present the setup. I have a Mustang Floor (firmware 1,3) and Fuse (V 2.6.1.35) running on an Apple iMac (with OS X 10.8.1). I have an Axiom 25 MIDI controller and I am using "MIDI Monitor" to check to incoming/outgoing MIDI messages to/from the computer.
Note that I haven't tested all the MIDI commands yet.

About the incoming MIDI (going into the Mustang Floor):
All the following commands work and Fuse will reflect the changes (with some time lag):
Tap tempo, tuner on/off, Program changes, All FX bypass
But the following commands are strange (i.e. amp parameter changes using rotary controls on the Axiom sending absolute values from 0-127); first the Mustang Floor display does not show all the midi command changes at the time, it works about 60% of the time; second Fuse does NOT reflect any changes at all. Fuse is not in sync with the unit when MIDI commands are used.

About the outgoing MIDI (going out of the Mustang Floor):
The following commands work: TAP, program change, tuner 0n/off.
Amp parameter changes are not sent out (maybe that is normal?)
The pedal commands are strange: the channel and CC values are correct but the values are reversed (that is the heel value is 127 and the toe value is zero).
That is contrary to all MIDI expression pedals I have used; the lowest values are at the heel and the highest at the toe.

This is a request/suggestion for the MIDI implementation: could it be possible to use the USB port (along with the MIDI ports) for the MIDI communication, as the MIDI interface is rapidly disappearing in favour of the USB interface. It would make connections easier and more efficient.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Would Like Your Feedback...
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:51 am
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I've just got my Mustang III, and haven't used it so much yet, but here's my initial requests.

- Please change the font for the parameters to stomp boxes and post-amp effects to something more readable. That computer-font is very hard to read.

- When you turn on or off a effect (pre or post amp), the focus shifts back to the amp. Could you please make it stay on the selected effect?

- We should be able to combine overdrive and compressor. That's the main issue with only using one type of effect at once, I don't care about any other combination, but overdrive and compressor is alpha. :-)

- Pictures of the cabinets to indicate of many elements there are in the different cabinet selections.


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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:34 am
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I agree with "bskauge" about the possibility of using the compressor with the overdrive or the fuzz. That would be great!

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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:11 am
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Just got my Mustang so there may be things here that I haven't found. A good interface design that would make them easy to find would be a great start....

Remove all things Microsoft, Silverlight cause the system to fail to recognize my Mustang in the first 24 hours.

Allow me to create subsets of the pre-sets, in my order, in Fuse and upload them to the Mustang. 100 pre-sets is absolutely useless on stage. 6? 6 would be good. I'm hoping this is already there and I just haven't figured it out.

With all of that said, Basic Twin, Basic Deluxe, Dirty Deluxe and British Invasion are worth the price of admission on their own I just need to be able to get to them quickly without wading through everything else.

Is that done? Cool. Anybody wanna buy a really nice vintage Deluxe Reverb with a Weber in it?

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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:15 am
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Hi denitronik,

Thanks for your thoughtful feedback here. I definitely hear what you are saying regarding the idea of MIDI implementation via USB port. I will pass this along to the related engineer. Please let us know if we can assist with anything as well.

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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:22 am
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Hi tim farney,

Thanks very much for your feedback here. I will make sure that it gets passed along to the right folks for review. In regard to your comment where you say "I just need to be able to get to them quickly without wading through everything else.", You can press the Amp button on the amp itself, and you will see the amp model and all it's parameters show on the LCD. Press the data wheel to select which parameter you would like to adjust. And turn the data wheel to adjust the value of that parameter. If you are happy with what you have adjusted, press the Save button on the amp twice to overwrite and save the Preset.

Give this a try and let us know if we can assist further.

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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:04 am
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Thanks support team. I'm on Staycation this week and I've had a chance to spend a lot of time with the Mustang and Fuse. Now that I've found my way around a bit, the interface is actually pretty good. I think you guys misunderstood my question below, though. On stage, I'm fine with the conventional amp controls to adjust individual models. I'm even OK with just 2 or 3 presets selectable from the footswitch...for any given song, that is... What I think would be incredibly useful to the gigging musician would be the ability to define groups of those two or three foot-switchable presets that could be selected from the data wheel, so I could choose, say, "Vox pres" with a clean crunch and overdriven foot-switchable presets, "Twin pres" for clean, crunch and...you get the picture, though personally I'll have to come up with more creative names, because right now my favorite clean is one I created with the Twin model, my favorite crunch is from the Deluxe Reverb, and my favorite overdrive is from the tweed Deluxe. Maybe I'd call that one "Fender History." I know some guys get around this by scrolling through all their presets with the foot pedal, but that's a cumbersome solution. Get those software guys busy and give us a great solution!

Oh and while you have them working, here's the big one, perhaps the biggest one -- in the media library? Guys, we've got to have drag and drop re-ordering of presets that doesn't overwrite the preset you're moving to. That's fundamental. The work-arounds for this are a huge pain.

Now that I'm done complaining? Great amp, great models. Smokes my POD. If all I had were the Twin, the Deluxe and the Vox, it'd be worth more than I paid for it. But it's not far from being a great amp with a great software package. Do it!

Tim

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Hi tim farney,

Thanks very much for your feedback here. I will make sure that it gets passed along to the right folks for review. In regard to your comment where you say "I just need to be able to get to them quickly without wading through everything else.", You can press the Amp button on the amp itself, and you will see the amp model and all it's parameters show on the LCD. Press the data wheel to select which parameter you would like to adjust. And turn the data wheel to adjust the value of that parameter. If you are happy with what you have adjusted, press the Save button on the amp twice to overwrite and save the Preset.

Give this a try and let us know if we can assist further.


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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:56 am
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Hi tim farney,

Thanks for your update and additional information here. I will pass along your information to the right folks here. In the mean time, as a second alternative, what if you were to use Fender FUSE to edit/save/relocate your Presets so that you have them grouped in (10s) and can move between them that way? Please let me know if that might work for you and if we can assist further.

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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:52 am
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Hi tim farney,

Thanks for your update and additional information here. I will pass along your information to the right folks here. In the mean time, as a second alternative, what if you were to use Fender FUSE to edit/save/relocate your Presets so that you have them grouped in (10s) and can move between them that way? Please let me know if that might work for you and if we can assist further.

Cheers,

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Hey, Alan. Thanks. I am using Fuse, and I'm slowly figuring this out. Groups of 10s? On stage? I don't think that would work at all for me. I have to call tunes, sing and talk to the crowd as well as play, I need to keep it simple. What I'm thinking about right now is 3 to 4 groups of 2 - 3 presets. I think I can keep track of it that way -- 1-3 is Twin, clean/crunch/OD, 4-6 is Deluxe R, etc. But do you see my point? If your software guys would give me a way to create those groups in Fuse, name them and then scroll to the one I want for each song with the data wheel, then flip between the presets in each group with the foot pedal (or better yet, control it all from the 4-button floor pedal!), it would be so much easier and I'd be able to keep up with a lot more variations.

And you just have to get drag and drop movement of presets in Fuse. Doing any of this is cumbersome the way the media library works now.

By the way, if you'd asked a couple of days ago I would have told you the Deluxe Reverb and tweed Deluxe were my favorite amps. Today I think it's the Twin and the Bassman. The Twin is amazing.

Tim


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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:42 pm
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Hi Tim,

Thanks for your reply here. I hear what you are saying about your various duties on stage. For now, you might also think about setting up a group of Presets in whatever order you like, whether it be groups of 10 (fourth button on the MS-4 foot/Mode 2) switch or simply using Fender FUSE/Media Library to rearrange some of your Presets. These are just some thoughts.

Please let us know if we can assist further.

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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:10 am
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Brand new user (last night) - MIII, longtime player tho

Easy first couple of issues - I'll add more later I suspect. (and just to head off flames - yeah, these are repeats, but in about every other forum on the web, when folks add their support for the same idea, people who have the ability to change things take notice.)

1. Can't use more than one stompbox?? Understandable when limited to just the buttons on the amp, but with software, are you kidding me?

2. The virtual dial control with the mouse is pretty awful. More precise control on those is needed. I understand this was actually improved recently? Still awkward.

3. +1 to the oft-mentioned request for drag & drop to switch the order of presets.

Other thing that surprised me was the general lack of user-submitted and band presets - we all need to get to work lol. Some of my favorite sounds/groups not represented (yet).


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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:32 pm
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Hi Grateful Ned,

Thanks for your inquiries here, and welcome to the Fender Community Forums. I will address your questions below.

1. Can't use more than one stompbox?? Understandable when limited to just the buttons on the amp, but with software, are you kidding me?
So, here you are not actually using your computer's CPU and resources, but controlling the amp's hardware and software. So, the amp does have a finite amount of resources to draw from. This relates to the way the effects are laid out and how much you can do with them.

2. The virtual dial control with the mouse is pretty awful. More precise control on those is needed. I understand this was actually improved recently? Still awkward.
Did you try the Shift button with your mouse for more fine control? This may help.

3. +1 to the oft-mentioned request for drag & drop to switch the order of presets.
I will add your vote here and pass this along to the right folks again.

Other thing that surprised me was the general lack of user-submitted and band presets - we all need to get to work lol. Some of my favorite sounds/groups not represented (yet).
When you say "Band Presets" I am assuming that you mean Band Tracks (audio files), is this correct? If so, the reason that you don't see user or third party audio files here is due to copyright issues. But I will be happy to pass along your feedback regarding this as well. Please let us know if we can assist further.

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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:25 am
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Thanks for the quick answers/feedback.

I guess what I'm saying about pre- and post- effects comes from the nifty setup in Fuse whereby we can choose to add something like a compressor or chorus either before or after the amp, with a definite difference in the resulting effect. But I understand this whole subject has been a favorite of users for a while and that Fender has promised at least to look into it. However it is accomplished, being able to combine some commonly-used effects will be great.

Shift button, eh? Will give that a try, thanks.

And the song/band "presets" - what I mean is the user-submitted setups for sounds like "Santana Live" and such. Even before I bought this amp I was really looking forward to jumping into the user lists and finding files from clever people who have already figured out how to emulate my favorite players. The pickins were a little slimmer than I'd hoped. If I can iron out the 'fizz' issues and keep the amp I look forward to contributing some files to those lists.


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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:36 am
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Hi Grateful Ned,

Thanks for your reply. Keep in mind as I mentioned that the Fender FUSE software is controlling the amp's hardware. So, whatever functionality is selectable in software reflects what is available on the amp. So with the Fender Mustang III, you can drag effects from pre to post positions and select what effects you like for what location as on the amp itself.

In regard to the Presets tones, yes, you can definitely create and upload your own Preset tones and download other user submitted Presets. Please let us know if we can assist further.

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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:36 am
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Hello all, this is my first post on the Fender forum so go easy on me! :)

I am a long time Twin owner and bought a Mustang III just to use in any smaller venues and it's never worked out very well, so I haul the big amp. Part of my frustration came from using FUSE even just trying to rearrange presets into order for a show.

#1. PLEASE add me as yet another vote for drag and drop reordering of presets. Man, this is basic for software use. Saving a preset currently in #3 to some slot such as #21 so that you can save preset #8 into #3 and then no way to clear #8 so you now have two of the same presets? C'mon. This has to be a priority to make the amps useful.

I love the sound and the processing and the knowledge that everything is in one box but the software alone renders the amp (which is awesome) such a PITA.

The majority of my presets when playing my Twin live in a ZOOM G2.1Nu. Have a look at ZOOM's software. While definitely not the best either, it is head and shoulders above FUSE for getting ready for a gig. Right now it's in my speed advantage to take the Mustang and use the ZOOM into it which thereby defeats the purpose of having the preset effects in the amp.

#2. Get rid of trying to build the software in Silverlight. It's so clunky and slow to use. THe interface is very slow to respond in comparison to real software.

#3. KEEP BUILDING AWESOME AMPS.

#4. The navigation of the interface of FUSE is sometimes confusing. Drop downs in different locations...the visual jumping back to the amp after turning on or off an effect. I think FUSE should be redesigned and programmed from the ground up. Hire a good UI designer to figure out the placement of items and make it consistent in usage.


#5 is my only complaint with the amp effects itself. For a versatile guitarist who creates with effects, sometimes there will be a need for 2 of the same items. This is not currently possible. My current pedal board has 2 SD-1s and sounds quite a bit different than simply cranking the gain on 1 pedal. Also, on our song Shadows in the sig below, there are 2 delays at play with each other tempo-based (like Edge does) and it's impossible to recreate on the Mustang amp. Could the DELAY button on the amp itself allow control over 2 devices in each section?

#6 could you add a Modulate Delay to the lineup?


Thanks for allowing the discussion with some feedback. I LOVE this amp but every time I use FUSE I want to quickly sell it because it gets in the way of just tweaking things in the amp. I'm sure some better resources could be found to program some better software. I swear your sales will go up a lot because I think the software gives the glorious amps a bad name or in the case of mine it sits on a shelf for a year and becomes the product I show off to friends and call 'such a great idea with some limitation on getting presets ready for a show.'

I'm beginning to wonder if Fender realizes how important the drag and drop requests are made in this forum. I love that you're interested in the feedback. The bosses need to ensure this one happens I think.

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