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Post subject: Dumb Q: How to move Computer created Preset to Amp memory?
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:33 pm
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I know this is dumb but, I can't figure out how to load a Preset (onto the Amp) that I created on the computer in Fuse. I know I have to replace one of the existing Amp Presets. I have the USB cable hooked up. I can see and use the Preset when the Amp/Computer is connected, I just can't figure out how to make it stick! Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Post subject: Re: Dumb Q: How to move Computer created Preset to Amp memor
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:57 pm
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Did you try hitting the save button on the amp or in fuse, then selecting a slot to save to?


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Post subject: Re: Dumb Q: How to move Computer created Preset to Amp memor
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:44 pm
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Use HORSETAMER

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=55395

much easier than messing around with Fuse and amp buttons.

Just backup the original presets first.


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Post subject: Re: Dumb Q: How to move Computer created Preset to Amp memor
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:16 pm
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You really don't need the 'Horsetamer' software to do this for just one preset at a time.

In Fuse, just right click on the preset name in the media library window, and a 'Save To Amp' dialogue will appear. You can then choose the slot on the amp that you want to save to, and the job's done. (This question has been asked here many times, suggesting that the right-click process isn't properly covered in any of the Mustang documentation).


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Post subject: Re: Dumb Q: How to move Computer created Preset to Amp memor
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:31 pm
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Just found out how to right click on a Mac (Control click). Problem solved! Thanks!
FYI, I have a G-Dec. So, this at least, works the same way as the Mustang.


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Post subject: Re: Dumb Q: How to move Computer created Preset to Amp memor
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:55 am
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I"m glad you figured it out. For the most part Fender FUSE works the same way for all of the amps.

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Post subject: Re: Dumb Q: How to move Computer created Preset to Amp memor
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:52 pm
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I"m glad you figured it out. For the most part Fender FUSE works the same way for all of the amps.


Loren,

Okay, this has been bugging me for a while.

This is basic feature. It's possibly the most important feature on the amp. In fact, you've taken the time to build an entire community around the ability to download and copy presets to the amplifier.

And then, for some reason, you've buried this function under incomprehensible UI.

I'll give you an example of what this does to Joe or Jane User, who wants to sample some presets, choose a new one, then save it to the amp:

1. Go to the Fuse site.
2. Browse the presets.
3. Find one that's interesting. (Hey, how about a place to upload an MP3 of the preset?).
4. Try to download it.
5. Realise you're not signed in.
6. Sign in.
7. Download the preset.
8. Try to remember where in the Fuse interface, the preset will show up.
9. Stumble around until you find the Media Library button.
10. Click it.
11. Try to figure out not showing you any presets.
12. Realise that you have to choose Computer, Amp or Web or you won't see anything.
13. Click Computer.
14. Scroll around trying to find the preset that you just downloaded.
15. Give up. Go back to the website and look at the name of the preset.
16. Using the search box, search the preset. It won't find the preset because you haven't clicked Computer, Amp or Web in a completely different place than the first, completely identical buttons that have an entirely different function.
17. Find your preset. Double click it in frustration. Be surprised when the preset loads.
18. Play the preset. Decide you like it.
19. Decide to replace a preset on the amp. Try to figure out how to display the amp presets again. Click one Amp button, then the next. Ah, second time is a charm.
20. Find the thrash/deadcore/protopunk preset you're never going to use. Try to remember which preset it is.
21. Fumble your way back to the Media Library. You look for the Media Library button, but it's gone. It says Preset Editor. You click it. You see the UI change to say Media Library. You click it and realise that you were already in the Media Library. But you're looking at the Amp presents, not the ones in the library. You click the Computer button (hey, isn't this whole thing running on a computer?).
22. Bingo, presets!
23. You double click on the preset you want and load it.
24. You look around for a "Load to Amp" button. Nothing.
25. You check the forums and find the plaintive cry, "I just want to save a preset to my amp!" and you read the answer.
26. You right click on the preset and Load to Amp, choosing the preset you wanted to replace (presuming you can remember it or that you wrote it down.).

<sigh>

Seriously, burying basic functionality like this under secondary UI (the right mouse click) under another layer of UI (Media Library) is just silly.

Saying "It's in the manual" won't cut it. This is something that should be simple, a joy to use, in fact.

Please, hire a designer for your software, someone with significant User Experience / User Interface knowledge. Not a coder (I'm a coder and a Systems Admin and you don't want me "fixing" this). You need a designer to address this.

I won't even bother to mention the egregious mess that is Silverlight. A decent designer will berate you over that choice of architecture, so that I don't have to. ;-)

Cheers.


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Post subject: Re: Dumb Q: How to move Computer created Preset to Amp memor
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:30 am
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Just curious jbobdobbs, are you using a Mac?

Every time I have sat down at one I very quickly realize that I can't do much on it. It always seems like everything is so deeply hidden and hard to get to..

Just curious! Both Mac and PC are awesome though!

Being a PC user I never really even had to think about how to save a patch to the amp, it seemed very intuitive..


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Post subject: Re: Dumb Q: How to move Computer created Preset to Amp memor
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:30 pm
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Just curious jbobdobbs, are you using a Mac?


Unless I am mistaken, this software runs in Silverlight on both Mac and PC. It's identical on both plaforms.

If the UI is poor on one platform, it will be identically poor on the other.

So, for the purposes of this discussion, the platform isn't relevant.


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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:52 am
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I hear you guys. I'll pass your concerns along to the software team.

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Post subject: Re: Dumb Q: How to move Computer created Preset to Amp memor
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:21 am
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jbobdobbs wrote:
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I"m glad you figured it out. For the most part Fender FUSE works the same way for all of the amps.

...Okay, this has been bugging me for a while. This is basic feature. It's possibly the most important feature on the amp. In fact, you've taken the time to build an entire community around the ability to download and copy presets to the amplifier.

And then, for some reason, you've buried this function under incomprehensible UI.
... (Steps 1 through 26, which if anything is undercounting)...
Saying "It's in the manual" won't cut it. This is something that should be simple, a joy to use, in fact.

Please, hire a designer for your software, someone with significant User Experience / User Interface knowledge. Not a coder (I'm a coder and a Systems Admin and you don't want me "fixing" this). You need a designer to address this.

I won't even bother to mention the egregious mess that is Silverlight. A decent designer will berate you over that choice of architecture, so that I don't have to. ;-)

I know you've said you'll talk to the software guys. But I want to give this a huge second.

The interface of FUSE for the G-DEC is a massive mess. I have a few times set aside time to learn how to replace a patch on the amp. I have sat down to learn how to do it.

The simple fact is it's impossible to get there from here twice. The route to do it is so long and complicated that even if you manage to do it once, there is so much to it and it is so circuitous a route that it's not possible to remember it without doing a couple dozen times for, I don't know, a couple dozen days in a row. It's just so GD hard to do.

jbob is right: The software has completely different kinds of functions mapped to identical kinds of buttons.

It makes no sense to have the Media Library button and the Preset Editor on the same button. They don't perform the same function. On the search location buttons, which state is highlighted--white, which is brighter, or red, which signals . . . well, usually, stop or "no." How about using the same selector type over on the other side of the window, a drop-down menu?

The programmers tried to make the window symmetrical in appearance rather than clear in function, so they used different interface elements for the same functions (a drop-down to select where to load patches from on the left, buttons to select where to load patches from on the right) and the same interface elements for different functions (buttons to select file management functions on the left, and to select file search locations on the right). This is a recipe for massive confusion, and the recipe works.

There is no drag and drop for patches, which is obviously an easy way to move files and is universal in GUIs today. But the interface of FUSE makes that impossible. Not only is it not supported, but the interface has no apparent location that you can count on, and you can't see two locales at once. But even that... Even in a single list window, the list of the patches on the amp itself--the user should be able to reorder patches (or combinations of settings and songs) by dragging and dropping them up and down the list. Do you know how you would move a patch and song to a new slot, without wiping out the old contents of the slot? I don't. I've read the manual looking for that over and over, and tried to figure it out in the program---I can't.

The right-click menu over a patch gives two items: "Get Preset from Amp" and "Load Preset." Get preset and do what with it? No indication. The user will have to figure out that this is how one copies or saves a preset from the amp into one's file system on their computer. The manual does not explain this function at all.

The menu: Why is the menu built into the window, instead of being--with the menu on the screen? (Answer: Construction of the interface on Silverlight is a massive kludge, and it is the only way to do it--in other words, the only way to do it is a way that a user will necessarily have problems with. The menu should not have to be first exposed, then figured out, then maybe used if it contains the functions needed.)

What does the "Add to Library" button do? What library does it add to? I just added one of my patches to library, but the truth is, I have no idea what that did. Did it upload it to the fuse patches? After all, the button is at the top of the Media Library list, and I'm looking at the list of patches on the web, so it should add the patch I have selected in that web patch list to some library somewhere. I don't know--and there's no feedback to show whether it did. It turns out that it has nothing to do with adding to any identified library a patch you have selected in the list at the top of which the button appears; it has nothing at all to do with any list that the button is at the top of. It's for importing to the computer's /FUSE/Presets/ folder a file located anywhere else on one's computer or in an external disk. So that button shouldn't be located where it is, and should have a different name (or the Presets folder should be titled Library instead). It's one big ball of confusion--the wrong interface element, giving the wrong cues, in the wrong place in the interface.

Trying to navigate the pages of patch listings, it takes over a minute to change pages. What this means functionally is that the user won't really know if the program is responding to mouse clicks, because there is no feedback. And it's a matter of there being no feedback on the status line, which is right there. In addition, the program limits the number of clickable page numbers to 5, when the rest of the status line is being used for--nothing. So the user can't see how many pages there are, and can't go beyond the ones shown without clicking the last one shown in order to get the next however many page numbers to show (I'd tell you, but right now I clicked on 9 over a minute ago while on page 7, and it still hasn't changed to page 9--maybe I need to double-click it, which again would violate universal practice for that kind of function--oh, okay, yeah, you have to double click it, which is completely unnecessary; and then it puts the page you double clicked in the middle of the range of 5, so at most you can move 2 pages ahead at a time, never having any idea how many pages there are in total until you double-click on whatever the last page is, and wait a couple minutes to make sure that the program really isn't going to load any more pages so you really are at the end).

And about logging in from the FUSE software: I get tired of my Auto-Login expiring. If it expires, it's not really automatic login, is it? Why does my login ever expire at all? And why doesn't the program remember me, despite my having the "Remember me" button always checked? Why require re-login? This is not a national security site, and nothing here is top-secret, and the software is always on my computer. Seriously, do you guys think that someone is going to sneak in on someone's computer and mess up their preset library or their amp presets? Even if a nefarious amp monkeyer broke in and fired up my FUSE software, as noted above he would have no more luck figuring out how to mess up my presets than I have trying to intentionally change one.


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Post subject: Re: Dumb Q: How to move Computer created Preset to Amp memor
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:43 pm
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I know you've said you'll talk to the software guys. But I want to give this a huge second.

The interface of FUSE for the G-DEC is a massive mess. I have a few times set aside time to learn how to replace a patch on the amp. I have sat down to learn how to do it.

The simple fact is it's impossible to get there from here twice. The route to do it is so long and complicated that even if you manage to do it once, there is so much to it and it is so circuitous a route that it's not possible to remember it without doing a couple dozen times for, I don't know, a couple dozen days in a row. It's just so GD hard to do.


This. All of this.

You've nicely summarised the rest of my feelings about Fuse.

See, the thing is that unlike the tech gadget of the month, people buy an amp like this and hold it for a long, long time. We want the software to be good. We want the software to be robust, friendly, easy. Fuse is neither.

Great software gets out of the way. Great software lets you get on with what you were trying to get done. Poor software makes you fiddle with knobs and switches, keep paper records of what you're trying to get done, and (occasionally), reach for the manual (wretched though it may be).

I don't want to spend a lot of time on Fuse. I want to spend a lot of time playing my mahogany Tele.


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Post subject: Re: Dumb Q: How to move Computer created Preset to Amp memor
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:09 pm
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Fuse is not too intuitive, but it's not terrible either. For me maybe the biggest problem is a very slow GUI. An application like this could be light like a Notepad.

How about publishing some API and letting people to program Mustang editors themselves? The open source scene wizards would most probably also write VST plugin for saving patches within sequences, and Midi->controls for controlling the amp parameters with switches and CC pedals.


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