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Post subject: Re: Horse Tamer Preset Organizer - for Mustang- / FUSE-Users
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:42 am
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For me, I have now several backup sets, actually I prepare the needed presets for a gig or practice with the band in a backup with HorseTamer and then just restore the backup I want to use to the amp with FUSE


How do you name these reorganised sets of preset "backups"?

Seems that Fuse backups can only be labelled in a date@time format.

I tried creating a new set of 24 presets and had to rename the copy the original backup to a new "name" using FileManager, then move desired presets into original backup and then save it - I couldnt change the date, only the Description.

By the way, the Mustang I wasnt attached.

info would be appreciated.

If ONLY Fuse would see sub-directories!


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Post subject: Re: Horse Tamer Preset Organizer - for Mustang- / FUSE-Users
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:27 pm
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Can't see any amp presets on the left side column in HorseTamer ???

Hi ischenitte,
Thanks for writing the preset software. I have downloaded and run the software. Everything mostly looks ok, except I can't see any amp presets on the left column side. (I am using Mustang 3) I can see the 20 presets on the right side that I downloaded from the web. In Fuse, I can see both amp and web data ok. Under settings, I have told Horse Tamer to look in the fuse data folder, just like your windows XP help example. (Using XP pro) When I go to the tab "Preset-Backup" to use the software I do see my 3 backups in the drop down box and can select each one, but again no presets show below on the left. I have reloaded fuse software and HorseTamer, but no change. It just seems that it is not reading or finding the amp data, but I think I have selected the correct data path. Hopefully, it's a simple solution, because I am really looking forward to using your software.
Thanks, stratbp14


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Post subject: Re: Horse Tamer Preset Organizer - for Mustang- / FUSE-Users
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:24 pm
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Yep it appears the latest Fuse or Mustang FW update broke the ability to read the backup and populate the left columns. Older backups look good but the backups created since my 1.8 FW update don't populate.


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Post subject: Re: Horse Tamer Preset Organizer - for Mustang- / FUSE-Users
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:49 pm
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FW 1.8 and HorseTamer work for me on Win 7

Perhaps redo your "Settings" link to your Fuse folder? may or maynot make a difference - just a suggestion


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Post subject: Re: Horse Tamer Preset Organizer - for Mustang- / FUSE-Users
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:56 pm
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Hi there

Sorry for not replying for some days. My parents will move these weekend, and they asked me to help them pack the boxes. Hope to find some time to check the error occured with 1.8 and Horse Tamer. Maybe there was a change in the xml file structure. Please let me some time for the investigation on that.

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Post subject: Re: Horse Tamer Preset Organizer - for Mustang- / FUSE-Users
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:27 pm
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Yep it appears the latest Fuse or Mustang FW update broke the ability to read the backup and populate the left columns. Older backups look good but the backups created since my 1.8 FW update don't populate.


Re my earlier post ( 2 above this).

Today I used Fuse 2.4 to backup the original default presets from my Mustang 1 ( firmware updated to 1.8) - and then burned the folder to CD for safekeeping.

1) Horestamer will not open this backup (made with Fuse 2.4)

2) Horsetamer does open backups made by itself. ( ie copy a list of downloaded/self-created presets from your Home Folder's Fuse Presets folder -right side column that have been copied to the leftside column and Saved.)

3) These backups from within Horsetamer WILL install to the amp from within Fuse 2.4 - I've just done it, replacing all of the original presets.

Hope that this makes sense.


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Post subject: Re: Horse Tamer Preset Organizer - for Mustang- / FUSE-Users
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:15 pm
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so i need to install an older version of fuse then backup to get the presets from the amp?


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Post subject: Re: Horse Tamer Preset Organizer - for Mustang- / FUSE-Users
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:21 am
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The Outlaw wrote:
so i need to install an older version of fuse then backup to get the presets from the amp?


got it. i had to install version 2.3 on my laptop along with all my downloaded presets then make a back up and use a flash drive to transfer to my desktop. this is going to be a pain when i want to download new presets so im not sure if i should just uninstall 2.4 from my desktop and go back to 2.3?


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Post subject: Re: Horse Tamer Preset Organizer - for Mustang- / FUSE-Users
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:49 pm
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Does anyone know if the latest FUSE version (v2.4.1 - 12/14/11) still breaks the ability for Horse Tamer to read the backup and populate it's left hand column?

Frankly, I find Horse Tamer's drag and drop functionality more useful than the small upgrades and bug fixes in the new version so, I won't even bother the upgrade FUSE if it's still broke.


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Post subject: Re: Horse Tamer Preset Organizer - for Mustang- / FUSE-Users
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:59 am
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p90sdude wrote:
Does anyone know if the latest FUSE version (v2.4.1 - 12/14/11) still breaks the ability for Horse Tamer to read the backup and populate it's left hand column?

Frankly, I find Horse Tamer's drag and drop functionality more useful than the small upgrades and bug fixes in the new version so, I won't even bother the upgrade FUSE if it's still broke.
it didnt work for me so i went back to fuse 2.3 and it works great. i've yet to have any problems and use the amp hooked up to the fuse software constantly since it makes it easier to choose presets if you dont have the 4 button switch

edit. i guess it was 2.4 i had before going back to 2.3 so i cant speak for the 2.4.1


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Post subject: Re: Horse Tamer Preset Organizer - for Mustang- / FUSE-Users
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:42 pm
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It appears that Horse Tamer has a problem with the filenames from backups from more recent versions of Fuse.

Horse Tamer works only with backup files named 00.fuse, 01.fuse etc.
However the recent versions of Fuse save the backups with the preset name in the file name e.g. 14_Beauty Clean.fuse or 17_JohnnyMarrTremelo.fuse

If the backup files created by recent versions of Fuse are renamed to the old format (00.fuse) then Horse Tamer will be able to manage them again. Some sort of bulk file rename utility ought to be able to easily rename the files in the correct format. I'm running windows so I've use a PowerShell script to rename all the files.

Fuse still restores from both formats, so once a backup is taken with Fuse and the files are renamed then no further conversion is needed.


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Post subject: Re: Horse Tamer Preset Organizer - for Mustang- / FUSE-Users
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:16 pm
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boblingted wrote:
It appears that Horse Tamer has a problem with the filenames from backups from more recent versions of Fuse.

Horse Tamer works only with backup files named 00.fuse, 01.fuse etc.
However the recent versions of Fuse save the backups with the preset name in the file name e.g. 14_Beauty Clean.fuse or 17_JohnnyMarrTremelo.fuse

If the backup files created by recent versions of Fuse are renamed to the old format (00.fuse) then Horse Tamer will be able to manage them again. Some sort of bulk file rename utility ought to be able to easily rename the files in the correct format. I'm running windows so I've use a PowerShell script to rename all the files.

Fuse still restores from both formats, so once a backup is taken with Fuse and the files are renamed then no further conversion is needed.

Thanks for the headsup Bob.

I fail to see what the neccesity was for the FUSE programmers to impliment the file name changes since these are normally transparent to the user. This leads me to speculate that it was done specifically to break HorseTamer's compatability with FUSE backups.

If there is another explaination, I'd be interested in hearing it.


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Post subject: Re: Horse Tamer Preset Organizer - for Mustang- / FUSE-Users
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:04 am
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p90sdude wrote:
boblingted wrote:
It appears that Horse Tamer has a problem with the filenames from backups from more recent versions of Fuse.

Horse Tamer works only with backup files named 00.fuse, 01.fuse etc.
However the recent versions of Fuse save the backups with the preset name in the file name e.g. 14_Beauty Clean.fuse or 17_JohnnyMarrTremelo.fuse

If the backup files created by recent versions of Fuse are renamed to the old format (00.fuse) then Horse Tamer will be able to manage them again. Some sort of bulk file rename utility ought to be able to easily rename the files in the correct format. I'm running windows so I've use a PowerShell script to rename all the files.

Fuse still restores from both formats, so once a backup is taken with Fuse and the files are renamed then no further conversion is needed.

Thanks for the headsup Bob.

I fail to see what the neccesity was for the FUSE programmers to impliment the file name changes since these are normally transparent to the user. This leads me to speculate that it was done specifically to break HorseTamer's compatability with FUSE backups.

If there is another explaination, I'd be interested in hearing it.


It certainly makes sense from the standpoint of naming conventions to do what they did. I mean with the old method you have like four subdirs with file names all having files called 00.fuse, 01.fuse etc. That just looked like it was done in a half assed way. Not in a professional way.

A Effects/Mod file called 08_Octaver.fuse makes a lot more sense to me, than 08.fuse. They may have had to use a cross-reference map to know that it was the Octaver effect. If I were the programmer, naming the files the new way makes more sense to me and probably makes the software easier to work with.

This is just one possibility of why they did what they did and I'm sure they did not do it to break horse tamer.


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Post subject: Re: Horse Tamer Preset Organizer - for Mustang- / FUSE-Users
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:01 pm
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lesbeat wrote:
It certainly makes sense from the standpoint of naming conventions to do what they did. I mean with the old method you have like four subdirs with file names all having files called 00.fuse, 01.fuse etc. That just looked like it was done in a half assed way. Not in a professional way.

A Effects/Mod file called 08_Octaver.fuse makes a lot more sense to me, than 08.fuse. They may have had to use a cross-reference map to know that it was the Octaver effect. If I were the programmer, naming the files the new way makes more sense to me and probably makes the software easier to work with.

This is just one possibility of why they did what they did and I'm sure they did not do it to break horse tamer.

First let me say that I respect your opinion lesbeat and appreciate your effort to present an alternative possibility.

However, I still remain skeptical. As I stated in my post above, there is really no reason to beautify the file names as 90% or greater of the users are never going to go looking there and there is really nothing there to interest them or that they can use directly unless they are either programmers or power users.

And don't forget that it was I who deciphered the file structure in the first place. I didn't feel at the time that it was a mess and I actually found the structure simple and logical. To add complexity to a software project simply to make it pretty for a majority of users who could care less makes no sense to me.


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Post subject: Re: Horse Tamer Preset Organizer - for Mustang- / FUSE-Users
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:33 pm
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p90sdude wrote:
First let me say that I respect your opinion lesbeat and appreciate your effort to present an alternative possibility.

However, I still remain skeptical. As I stated in my post above, there is really no reason to beautify the file names as 90% or greater of the users are never going to go looking there and there is really nothing there to interest them or that they can use directly unless they are either programmers or power users.

And don't forget that it was I who deciphered the file structure in the first place. I didn't feel at the time that it was a mess and I actually found the structure simple and logical. To add complexity to a software project simply to make it pretty for a majority of users who could care less makes no sense to me.


Once again, IMO they did not do this for any users benefit, it was probably done as part of a programming best practices process.

Here's another programming scenario:
Your running a debugger and a .fuse file is causing the software to throw an error and you check the file name and it reads 01.fuse. Ok, which of the four 01.fuse files in the backup directory structure is causing the problem?? I'd much rather see a name like 01_Chorus Deep.fuse then have to extra spend time looking for which 01.fuse file threw the error.

Perhaps I wasn't clear that "naming conventions" are not of interest to users but to programmers and people who support software over the long haul. Also, when I said something looked "half assed" it would only look that way to another programmer probably.


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