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Post subject: Fuse Tuner Incredibly Slow Reaction Time
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:57 am
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The Tuner in Fuse for me has an incredibly slow reaction time. It literally takes anywhere from 7-10 seconds for the tuner's needle to react to my signal, making it impossible to tune my guitar from within Fuse. I'm using the new version of Fuse. I first thought it was my processor but then realized the integrated tuners in other apps I use such as Amplitube and Sonar work just fine. So, I don't think it's my CPU. The built-in Tuner on my Mustang II amp works fine as well. Anyone else having this issue or have any ideas what's causing my tuner to get hung up?

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Post subject: Re: Fuse Tuner Incredibly Slow Reaction Time
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:21 am
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I noticed the same thing and reported it, but it doesn't appear anything has been done about it. I thought it was because of my low output pickups. Works fine on the amp, just slow or non-existent on FUSE.


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Post subject: Re: Fuse Tuner Incredibly Slow Reaction Time
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:36 pm
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And it's not accurate at all compared for example to a Boss TU-12 which I use.


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Post subject: Re: Fuse Tuner Incredibly Slow Reaction Time
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:56 am
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None of that has been my experience at all. I have a Peterson StroboFlip that I use most of the time, but every time I use the Fuse tuner its been responsive and very accurate when checked against my Peterson. I did just now test it again using the newest version of Fuse 2.2.2. There were three stings that were flat and I re-tuned them using the Fuse Tuner.

If I had any complaint about it, it would be that it will cause CPU usage spikes.


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Post subject: Re: Fuse Tuner Incredibly Slow Reaction Time
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:09 am
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To the OP: You should post your PC specs. I am guessing it's your CPU. I use fuse on a desktop with a decent Pentium Core2 Duo, and there is no delay with the tuner. If I use the fuse tuner with a netbook, it is molasses slow.


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Post subject: Re: Fuse Tuner Incredibly Slow Reaction Time
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:33 am
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That's probably my issue. My laptop uses an old Celeron processor and my desktop has an Athlon XP processor...both outdated. :(


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Post subject: Re: Fuse Tuner Incredibly Slow Reaction Time
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:07 pm
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To the OP: You should post your PC specs. I am guessing it's your CPU. I use fuse on a desktop with a decent Pentium Core2 Duo, and there is no delay with the tuner. If I use the fuse tuner with a netbook, it is molasses slow.


It's a Pentium M 1.73 ghz processor. 1 GB of RAM. Fuse is the only app running, and as I mentioned, other integrated tuners work fine in more sophisticated and higher CPU intense apps such as Amplitube and Sonar. I've also been told by FTS that Fuse doesn't require much CPU usage.

Thanks everyone for the replies so far!


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Post subject: Re: Fuse Tuner Incredibly Slow Reaction Time
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:05 pm
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@bluesdelux: Tuner works okay for me in FUSE 2.2.2. I've got a very old machine, with a 1.4 GHz Celeron, and less than 1 GB of RAM. Plenty of other programs running at the same time. I don't think it's your hardware.

I should add that the general FUSE interface is pretty slow to respond in general...just not the tuner.


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Post subject: Re: Fuse Tuner Incredibly Slow Reaction Time
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:05 am
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@bluesdelux: Tuner works okay for me in FUSE 2.2.2. I've got a very old machine, with a 1.4 GHz Celeron, and less than 1 GB of RAM. Plenty of other programs running at the same time. I don't think it's your hardware.

I should add that the general FUSE interface is pretty slow to respond in general...just not the tuner.


Hmmm...that's good for you but odd for me considering my laptop should operate the tuner based on this information. I have noticed Fuse is a little slow but that doesn't bother me much considering how much I like this whole concept. I'll look into my tuner issue more over the weekend. Maybe my laptop was just having a bad moment or maybe my antivirus was running at the same time bogging things down. Thanks!


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Post subject: Re: Fuse Tuner Incredibly Slow Reaction Time
Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:57 pm
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Hi Guys,

I have just re-tested the tuner with Fender FUSE version 2.2.2 here in the Tech Support Lab. The machine I tested on is running Windows XP, with an Intel Core2Duo 3.0 GHz processor and 2 GB of Ram. The tuner was responsive and worked as expected in both Fender FUSE and the amp (Fender G-DEC 3).

My guess is that the behavior that is being reported here may be happening on older systems as has been suggested and perhaps on Windows Vista? Is there anyone on Vista in this thread? If this appears to be an issue on reasonably new systems that are within the systems requirements for Fender FUSE, we can take a deeper look, and see if there may be a different issue occurring. Thanks all.

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Post subject: Re: Fuse Tuner Incredibly Slow Reaction Time
Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 10:41 pm
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Alan Willey - Fender wrote:
Hi Guys,

I have just re-tested the tuner with Fender FUSE version 2.2.2 here in the Tech Support Lab. The machine I tested on is running Windows XP, with an Intel Core2Duo 3.0 GHz processor and 2 GB of Ram. The tuner was responsive and worked as expected in both Fender FUSE and the amp (Fender G-DEC 3).

My guess is that the behavior that is being reported here may be happening on older systems as has been suggested and perhaps on Windows Vista? Is there anyone on Vista in this thread? If this appears to be an issue on reasonably new systems that are within the systems requirements for Fender FUSE, we can take a deeper look, and see if there may be a different issue occurring. Thanks all.

Best Regards,


I have been runnng Fuse on a laptop with Vista and a 1.7 Ghz Centrino Duo (not Core 2 Dual) It seems to run OK, but the menus are a bit slow as others have mentioned. I have not tried out the tuner when connected yet. I wil have an opportunity later in the wek.

But I have noticed that the tuner and my keyboardist's Kawai MP5 keyboard are not tuning the same. I have to tune my strat a little flat according to the tuner on the MIII in order to match the MP5. I don't know which one is off a little. Anyone else notice this?

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Post subject: Re: Fuse Tuner Incredibly Slow Reaction Time
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 6:21 am
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I’ve noticed this problem in addition to general lag in FUSE on my PC running Windows 7. I use the same PC to run Propellerheads Reason 5 without any lag or performance problems. Sometimes Reason is playing 25 to 30 tracks and doing some complex real-time audio processing at the same.

If a PC can do all this yet cannot run a simple thing such as a tuner in FUSE then I would say that the PC is not the problem and the design of FUSE needs to be looked at even if its written for .net.


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Post subject: Re: Fuse Tuner Incredibly Slow Reaction Time
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 10:08 am
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bluesdelux wrote:
JustAGuy wrote:
@bluesdelux: Tuner works okay for me in FUSE 2.2.2. I've got a very old machine, with a 1.4 GHz Celeron, and less than 1 GB of RAM. Plenty of other programs running at the same time. I don't think it's your hardware.

I should add that the general FUSE interface is pretty slow to respond in general...just not the tuner.


Hmmm...that's good for you but odd for me considering my laptop should operate the tuner based on this information. I have noticed Fuse is a little slow but that doesn't bother me much considering how much I like this whole concept. I'll look into my tuner issue more over the weekend. Maybe my laptop was just having a bad moment or maybe my antivirus was running at the same time bogging things down. Thanks!

Hi Guys,

I have just re-tested the tuner with Fender FUSE version 2.2.2 here in the Tech Support Lab. The machine I tested on is running Windows XP, with an Intel Core2Duo 3.0 GHz processor and 2 GB of Ram. The tuner was responsive and worked as expected in both Fender FUSE and the amp (Fender G-DEC 3).

My guess is that the behavior that is being reported here may be happening on older systems as has been suggested and perhaps on Windows Vista? Is there anyone on Vista in this thread? If this appears to be an issue on reasonably new systems that are within the systems requirements for Fender FUSE, we can take a deeper look, and see if there may be a different issue occurring. Thanks all.

Best Regards,



Just an update here. Alan, thanks for the reply and testing regarding my post on the tuner issue—and thanks to all fellow forum members who replied. I had a very busy weekend so I never got around to testing my tuner again while checking to see if my antivirus software was running and causing my problem. I might be able to do this tonight and post the results.

Thank u all!


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Post subject: Re: Fuse Tuner Incredibly Slow Reaction Time
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 4:08 pm
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Hi Guys,

Thanks for the feedback. We will do some additional checking here in regard to the reported lagging on certain systems. In regard to accuracy of the tuner itself, it should be accurate within a couple of cents either way.

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Post subject: Re: Fuse Tuner Incredibly Slow Reaction Time
Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 1:52 pm
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Yes, I have this "really sluggish tuner" problem too. I also find Fuse pretty sluggish in general, but I can live with it. See below for PC Spec, which should be adequate.

I just put this sluggishness down to Fuse having been developed in Silverlight rather than C++, but I see Fender stating that it runs fine on their systems, so maybe there's hope!

Here's a recipe:
Fender Fuse only main App running (+ Windows Task Manager for statistics and Notepad for writing this).

CPU usage at this stage in Task Manager is typically <3%.

Open Tuner in Fuse. (GDEC-3 connected and switched on).

Guitar silent, CPU settles at around <3% again.

Pluck note on guitar, CPU usage jumps to 95%+ within slightly under two seconds (stopwatch timed). Peek CPU usage coincides with note (E,A,D, etc) appearing on centre of Fender Fuse Tuner.

Silencing the string results in CPU usage dropping to <3%. Tuner still running.

That is too slow to be on any practical use. Fortunately, in my set-up I can see my GDec-3 screen, which responds instantly, so I just use that for visual reference, and use Fuse to switch the tuner on and off. My guitar normally holds tune very well so it's not too often that I actually have to re-tune a string, so generally I have moved onto the next string before the last one has appeared on the Fuse tuner, so I never actually see anything sensible on the Fuse Tuner.

Hope this helps.

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Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 (2.2GHz)
2GB RAM
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