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Post subject: Jeff Beck and Eric Johnson presets for Mustang
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:38 am
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Greetings....

One reason I bought the Mustang was to have access to the Jeff Beck and Eric Johnson presets shown in videos on Fender.com. These videos really "sold" me on this technology. While I now understand that GDEC presets do not translate directly, I'd like to propose a possible workaround.

What if Loren, Alan and Brad put their heads together to identify a guitarist at Fender who digs Jeff's and Eric's tone, has a great set of ears, and is intimately familiar with the GDEC, Mustang and Fuse.

Set up a GDEC 3 Thirty and Mustang II side by side, plug a great sounding strat into both amps thru an AB footswitch Then have this guitarist translate the GDEC JB and EJ presets into Mustang presets thru a process of listening, tweaking and comparison.

Since the GDEC and Mustang employ different modeling/effects engines, software and speaker configurations, the resulting Mustang presets probably won't sound "exactly" like the GDEC versions. No problem. Close approximations shaped by the trained ear of an experienced tonemeister will still be "musical". And that's all that really matters!

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Post subject: Re: Jeff Beck and Eric Johnson presets for Mustang
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:55 pm
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Still wondering if anyone has come up with or posted presets that would capture that smooth sustained tone ala Jeff Beck, Satriani [at times] EJ, etc. Plus, still wondering if the gurus at Fender could "port over" the Jeff Beck presets for G Dec to Mustang. I understand they are different technologies - but something close and truly musical would be appreciated.

Cheers...

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Post subject: Re: Jeff Beck and Eric Johnson presets for Mustang
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:26 am
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Hi,

I started looking at the XML files for the presets between the two amps, they are very similar.

Since the files are rendered by the same software (FUSE), it *should* be possible to convert the presets for the Gdec to something that would work on the Mustang. Unless there additional amplifier models / effects preset in the Gdec that do not exist on the Mustang? I am sure that they would have to share at least a core set of models, as the software used to render is the same.

The key would be to get a schema definition for the parameters and such that reside in XML and then replace the appropriate parameters. I would volunteer to work on this if Fender would provide the definitions. It would be great to share presets between the two amps!

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Post subject: Re: Jeff Beck and Eric Johnson presets for Mustang
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:50 am
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To quote Bruce Willis from the first "Die Hard" movie.... Yipeekyeyaaay Muthaf...

Well... you can finish that thought any way you like.

That's a wonderful idea Telehound.

Dennis


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Post subject: Re: Jeff Beck and Eric Johnson presets for Mustang
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:08 am
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Here's a workaround for those who want to put forth the effort.

You can log into the FUSE community for either G-DEC3 or Mustang usage, regardless of which amp you have. So,

You can log in as a G-DEC3 user and download the presets you want to a separate folder on your hard drive from your Mustang presets.

If you load the preset, FUSE will switch to match the style of amp (G-DEC3 or Mustang model) with all the settings. You can do screen prints by pressing Shift+Prt Scr, then paste to MS Word or a similar program and print. You can make settings notes on the sheet to explain the visuals. Don't forget advanced amp settings, although these are different between G-DEC3 & Mustang, they can be used for conversion.

Once you're done checking out the preset, open a Mustang preset you've already saved to switch FUSE back to Mustang style. Select New Preset to clear all settings and start building your preset using the information you got from the G-DEC3 preset.

I've already tested this in reverse, as I have a G-DEC3.

The only way this won't work is if there isn't a corresponding model on your amp. Then, you just have to guess what's closest.

Have fun!
Bob


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Post subject: Re: Jeff Beck and Eric Johnson presets for Mustang
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:27 am
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Bob,

Thanks for the great idea. I intend to give it a go, particularly for the Beck presets. I also want to encourage you and others to post the presets you come up with as I will.

Having said that, I second the original post's request to Fender to make Mustang versions of the Fender/Artist G-DEC presets, and in general to develop/post more presets for the 'stangs.

Update: I uploaded Mustang versions of the 5 GDEC Jeff Beck presets. I can't speak for how well they match the GDEC, but seemed pretty decent as stand-alone presets.


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Post subject: Re: Jeff Beck and Eric Johnson presets for Mustang
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:46 pm
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I would agree with the original post. I bought the mustang because I was led to believe I could download presets of some of my fav artists, only to find out that 9 out of ten of them only work on the g-dec? .... super frustrating....


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Post subject: Re: Jeff Beck and Eric Johnson presets for Mustang
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 6:49 am
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Hello,

I tried modifying a Gdec XML to convert from Gdec to Mustang, FUSE claimed that the preset was corrupt, it could be that the different amps use different values for parameter settings, etc. I'll look closer and have asked Fender for some details on the layout of the files. I would think that there wouldn't be a problem providing the info ...

An interesting excercise would be to use the workaround mentioned, then compare the files.

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Post subject: Re: Jeff Beck and Eric Johnson presets for Mustang
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:59 am
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In case you missed my update above, I uploaded Mustang versions of the 5 GDEC Jeff Beck presets. I can't speak for how well they match the GDEC, but they seemed pretty decent as stand-alone presets.

Check 'em out and let's get them dialed in.

On the corrupt file issue, when I was loading the GDEC presets into Fuse, I had to be sure my Mustang III was not connected. Otherwise, I would get the same message. All I did with these was view the presets in Fuse, wrote down the amp and effect settings, and then created new presets in Fuse for the Mustang with substitutions where necessary. I'm sure they could benefit from some additional attention, but I thought it'd be worthwhile to get the raw translations up.


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Post subject: Re: Jeff Beck and Eric Johnson presets for Mustang
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:03 pm
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You could use the settings as a foundation to make some minor or radical adjustments on your amp and guitar tone knobs, with he right pickup selected and the correct mixture of treble bass and mids on your guitar with the right amount/level of chorus and reverb, you should get pretty close to the sound you seek. Although the mustang was not intended to be adjusted without instructions and presets, you could step out of the box and "Innovate not Emulate" as fender likes to display.


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Post subject: Re: Jeff Beck and Eric Johnson presets for Mustang
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:29 pm
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You need to use a program for editing .xml files

In Linux I use XML Copy Editor - loads the Fuse presets just fine.


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Post subject: Re: Jeff Beck and Eric Johnson presets for Mustang
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:21 am
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I documented the amp selection and settings, and the sequence of affects and their settings in the GDec JeffBeckLead preset intending to transfer these parameters into the mustang universe.

Lo and behold, the Gdec can host up to four pedal effects [pre amp] AND three rack unit effects [post amp] simultaneously. The GDec JeffBeckLead preset includes overdrive, reverb, delay and chorus in the pedal pre-amp chain also ALSO reverb, delay and chorus in the rack unit post-amp chain -- seven effects in all. The mustang can only use one iteration of any effect a the same time, whether it is pre or post. After loading up all four pedal slots in Fuse/Mustang, three of them disappeared when I set up the reverb, delay and chorus in post amp section. I remember reading about this "only one at a time" limitation of the Mustang, but its importance was made clear tonight. It seems GDec presets cannot be directly "ported" over to Mustang because of this limitation.

I downloaded and listened to all five of the Jeff Beck GDec-to-Mustang converted presets. While they are not as hip as the ones I heard in the "Fender interview Jeff Beck" sales video, all are still quite musical to my ear. And I think TTSC's advice holds great wisdom - [paraphrasing] get to know thy amp by taking the time to explore its possibilities while listening thoughtfully, and learn to recognize how subtle changes of tone and volume controls, pickup selection and even playing style can lead you to the sound you desire - and also cool sounds you've yet to dream of. After all, I imagine that's how Jeff Beck came up with all those beautiful soaring tones in the first place.

As a jazz musician, I recognized long ago that developing a highly perceptive and deeply experienced "ear" was an absolute necessity in order to "hear" the musical possibilities in any given moment. Hmmm... maybe I just need to "port" that thought over to the Mustang and approach it [and the controls on my guitar] as instruments in their own right.

One question for Fender folks though: Could the Mustang hardware support multiple iterations of the same effects [like the GDec] via a software mod/update? Or do the two amps have such different architecture that this would be impossible?

By the way Bob, did you try converting the presets, and if so, what are your thoughts?

Dennis


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Post subject: Re: Jeff Beck and Eric Johnson presets for Mustang
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:19 am
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I've converted two from Mustang to G-DEC 3, as that's what I have. I haven't had a chance to play the presets with the G-DEC 3 yet, as my stepdaughter's family has moved in with us temporarily, and the amp is stored where I can't get to it until they move out (roughly a month).


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