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Would you like to see the ability to rearrange presets by drag and drop in the media window?
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Post subject: Re: Rearranging presets still not supported in Fuse 2, why?
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:08 pm
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Here's the first screenshot of my quick&dirty "Backup-Preset-Arranger", as described above:
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I've tested the application tonight, and it seems to work as I imagined. It is no failsafe, and there may be problems on other computers, but for me it worked! At least it is a bit easier to sort the presets in a backup. For sure I will continue to enhance it and make it a bit more failproof (there are no checks).


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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:38 pm
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ischenitte wrote:
Here's the first screenshot of my quick&dirty "Backup-Preset-Arranger", as described above:
First Screenshot

I've tested the application tonight, and it seems to work as I imagined. It is no failsafe, and there may be problems on other computers, but for me it worked! At least it is a bit easier to sort the presets in a backup. For sure I will continue to enhance it and make it a bit more failproof (there are no checks).

That's just too COOL ischenitte ! I wish I could code at that level but Python is about as far as I got and that's been years...

Let us know when you have a D/L link. I for one could use it.


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Post subject: Re: Rearranging presets still not supported in Fuse 2, why?
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Let us know when you have a D/L link. I for one could use it.

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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:10 am
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That looks exactly what we need for the presets. Is there a download link yet ?

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Post subject: Re: Rearranging presets still not supported in Fuse 2, why?
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:18 am
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emjaycee49 wrote:
That looks exactly what we need for the presets. Is there a download link yet ?


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Post subject: Re: Rearranging presets still not supported in Fuse 2, why?
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:31 am
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ischenitte wrote:
Here's the first screenshot of my quick&dirty "Backup-Preset-Arranger", as described above:
First Screenshot

I've tested the application tonight, and it seems to work as I imagined. It is no failsafe, and there may be problems on other computers, but for me it worked! At least it is a bit easier to sort the presets in a backup. For sure I will continue to enhance it and make it a bit more failproof (there are no checks).


From looking at the screenshot, it looks as if you have a list on the right of all available presets in your media library, and a list on the left of the 100 slots available on the MIII, etc. Is the left panel sortable with drag and drop as well as dragging (or clicking) a preset from the right to the left? If so, this is awesome, and exactly what I have dreamed that Fender would add to FUSE.

Could you send me a link, also! Thanks

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Post subject: Re: Rearranging presets still not supported in Fuse 2, why?
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:51 am
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Hi nm9p

As you said, on the right there are the presets from your library. On the left side, you can choose a backup (you have to make at least one backup of your mustang presets with the FUSE backup-function), and then you see on the left side all the presets in this selected backup.

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    Duplicate a backup set (which you can change afterwards).
    Delete a backup set, which you don't need anymore.
    Change order in a backup set by drag and drop a line (only one at a time at the moment).
    Drag and drop one preset from the preset list (right side) into the backup list (left side) by replacing the preset where you dropped the new preset.
    Replace a preset in the backup set with the preset from the preset list by selecting the entry on both sides and click the Copy-Button between the two lists.
    Edit name and description of a preset in Backup set.
    Save a changed backup.

Hope you understand my weird explanations :shock:

At the moment it's more alpha than beta testing, but if you like, I can send you a download link. It's in no way bugfree nor failproof, but for me it works, until fender gives us the needed tool in FUSE software. I implemented only the functions, I need for my own use. Maybe there are some other good ideas out there to implement, but as a dad, there is not much free time to work on it. Instead I should use my free time to practice guitar playing :lol:

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Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 6:40 am
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Please see this thread if you're interested in using my tool!

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Post subject: Re: Rearranging presets still not supported in Fuse 2, why?
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ischenitte, hi I've just purchased a Fender Mustang with Fuse, and I'd like to download this tool as well. Thanks for developing it.


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strummer911 wrote:
I'd like to download this tool as well.

I think this is what you need :arrow: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=55395

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Fender TSL wrote:
"There are some features that are a little more difficult to implement..."
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Apparently so. It's been 3 1/2 years since this this answer. (no bashing intended, just stating a fact)

I'm not a developer, nor have any special insights, but if I had to guess, I would say they are scrapping Fuse (in its current code base), and will be releasing a new-and-improved Mustang-only version of software (FuseExtreme?). "Regular" Fuse, like the G-DEC 3, will be EOL'd.

Or I could be totally wrong. Time will tell.


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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:52 am
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I guess the lack of this feature never really bothered me so much as I never perceived Fuse to be anything more than a pretty graphical interface for modifying presets. It's pretty clear that was the scope of the software as envisioned by Fender as well. Not to say they couldn't broaden the scope of the software at some point.

It's clear they never really meant for file management to be a part of the software mainly because they more or less completely obscure where and how this file storage occurs. You can't change that so it's obviously hard coded into the software with different designations for the mac versus pc. That doesn't bother me so much because I see Fender as a hardware company, not a software company..so I guess my expectations in that regard are fairly low.

I think the Fender Tech Support guy that chimed in about some features may take longer is alluding to the fact that once you open the can on that bag of features, it's a fairly large bag in terms of what needs to be addressed. And technically speaking, it's not really file management as much as it is a database system that not only keeps track of the settings, but provides a way for you to specify which preset slot it goes into. Architecturally speaking, that's a very long way from the simple, hard coded file storage system they're providing.

I'm not making excuses for Fender, and I'm not saying it's not doable..I'm just making the point that in software development everything is a tradeoff. You have to remember this piece of software is designed for both Mac and PC's right now. Possibly in the future there may a market need to make an android version as well. That's potentially three different platforms to port all the functionality to. Judging from the performance of the Fuse software, I'm relatively sure the software is currently written in pseudo-code which sits atop a software layer that's platform specific (mac or pc). That's an easy way to make multi-platform software, but not the most efficient. So the more functionality that's incorporated, the more bloated and slower the software will become.

Given this is a free piece of software, I'm not sure how far Fender is willing to go in this regard. Yes, a portion of what you paid for in the amp price went toward Fuse, but I can guarantee you it wasn't anywhere close to the major portion..and there is no further revenue expected to come out of the Fuse software.

The way I see it there are two viable approaches. One is to "freeze" the current free version of Fuse and hand this software over to a third party who will do what's necessary to re-architect it to allow for a broader set of functionality, and who will charge for "Fuse Premium" software and support it. Or publish a software developers kit for the PC and the Mac and allow anyone who wants to take it on do it.

After 30 plus years in commercial software development, I feel Fender's pain in this decision.

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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:17 am
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dunedindragon wrote:
I guess the lack of this feature never really bothered me so much as I never perceived Fuse to be anything more than a pretty graphical interface for modifying presets. It's pretty clear that was the scope of the software as envisioned by Fender as well. Not to say they couldn't broaden the scope of the software at some point.

"Pretty clear" that was the scope? You short-sell Fuse. Modifying presets, yes, but they also built in the capability for saving presets, deleting presets, overwriting presets, saving presets into different slots, creating your own presets, uploading presets, downloading presets, connecting to the online community, (not to mention the addition of band tracks, and some management thereof) And a tuner. Everything except how to rearrange their order.

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It's clear they never really meant for file management to be a part of the software mainly because they more or less completely obscure where and how this file storage occurs.

If by "obscure" you mean it's not explained in the manual, yes, but as it has been noted in this forum more than once, it's a short path from your Documents folder (Mac or PC, both are the same): Documents > Fender > FUSE. That's the "where". The "how" are XML files. (Open up any of the numbered preset files in a text editor (00.fuse, 01.fuse, etc)

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You can't change that so it's obviously hard coded into the software with different designations for the mac versus pc.

Nope, both the same. Yes, the OS's are different, of course, but the file types and folder structure are the same. And yes, you can change it. (Again, I know, not within Fuse. But it can be done in a plain text editor.)

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I think the Fender Tech Support guy that chimed in about some features may take longer is alluding to the fact that once you open the can on that bag of features, it's a fairly large bag in terms of what needs to be addressed.

Ah, now we're getting down to the heart of the matter. However, I think you are forgetting one crucial point: Fender officially made this request. They asked us, the end users, what we would like to see implemented. (And as a side note, in all this time I believe that the ability to easily re-arrange presets must be the number one request!)

It's been 3 1/2 years...and not one feature request has been added? (Bug fixes and repairing compatibility issues, they have provided those) If a feature request has been fulfilled, someone, please correct me!

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Given this is a free piece of software, I'm not sure how far Fender is willing to go in this regard.

Fine, then what was the point of Fender even asking for changes?
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The way I see it there are two viable approaches. One is hand this software over to a third party who will do what's necessary to re-architect it to allow for a broader set of functionality, and who will charge for "Fuse Premium" software. Or publish a software developers kit for the PC and the Mac and allow anyone who wants to take it on do it.

And here we get to be armchair quarterbacks. You've made your call, I'll stick to mine that I mentioned above. Only Fender knows what goes on behind those walls.

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After 30 plus years in commercial software development, I feel Fender's pain in this decision.

What decision? There's nothing from Fender that says anything has changed or been decided. They continue to ask for input, and continue to let us know they pass on the information to the powers that be.

And just so we're clear, I am not anti-Fender! I love my G Dec 3 30, and Fuse works adequately for me. I'll be even happier if and when drag and drop gets implemented.

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ARX320 wrote:
"Pretty clear" that was the scope? You short-sell Fuse. Modifying presets, yes, but they also built in the capability for saving presets, deleting presets, overwriting presets, saving presets into different slots, creating your own presets, uploading presets, downloading presets, connecting to the online community, (not to mention the addition of band tracks, and some management thereof) And a tuner. Everything except how to rearrange their order.


Apparently you're not very clear on the difference between visual interface and functional logic. Yes, there are a couple of functional capabilities related to saving, backing up, and community access. That might account for 15% of the functionality in Fuse. The rest of it could be done with or without Fuse. Just not as pretty.

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If by "obscure" you mean it's not explained in the manual, yes, but as it has been noted in this forum more than once, it's a short path from your Documents folder (Mac or PC, both are the same): Documents > Fender > FUSE. That's the "where". The "how" are XML files. (Open up any of the numbered preset files in a text editor (00.fuse, 01.fuse, etc)


Dictionaries can be your friend...

ob·scure [uhb-skyoor]
adjective, ob·scur·er, ob·scur·est.

1. (of meaning) not clear or plain; ambiguous, vague, or uncertain:

It seems to me that if Fender isn't documenting where and how these things are stored and that you have to search for them and open them up to determine what's in them, or search through back-channels to get the information, that qualifies as "not clear, plain, ambiguous, vague, or uncertain" in terms of the delivered software. And from the developers perspective you're on your own if you make assumptions based on where and how it's now done should they decide to change it in the future.

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Nope, both the same. Yes, the OS's are different, of course, but the file types and folder structure are the same. And yes, you can change it. (Again, I know, not within Fuse. But it can be done in a plain text editor.)


Ref: Definition of "obscure"
Okay...apparently some folks have a hard time understanding so we'll take it slower. Try this: You can't change it within Fuse. Meaning they CHOSE to not provide that functionality within the software. The fact you can work around it with a Band-Aid approach, doesn't mean it suddenly became added functionality to the software.

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Ah, now we're getting down to the heart of the matter. However, I think you are forgetting one crucial point: Fender officially made this request. They asked us, the end users, what we would like to see implemented. (And as a side note, in all this time I believe that the ability to easily re-arrange presets must be the number one request!)

It's been 3 1/2 years...and not one feature request has been added? (Bug fixes and repairing compatibility issues, they have provided those) If a feature request has been fulfilled, someone, please correct me!

...Fine, then what was the point of Fender even asking for changes?

...What decision? There's nothing from Fender that says anything has changed or been decided. They continue to ask for input, and continue to let us know they pass on the information to the powers that be.

...And just so we're clear, I am not anti-Fender! I love my G Dec 3 30, and Fuse works adequately for me. I'll be even happier if and when drag and drop gets implemented.




It may come as a shock to you, but back in 1946 there may have been 10 or so employees working at Fender, but the company has grown considerably since then. ;)

Large companies like Fender are made up of LOTS of different departments, with different agendas, competing (in some ways) with other departments for the limited resources available. (Oops...better clarify that one. I've learned from your previous responses. Resources = time, money, facilities, equipment...etc). There are marketing departments, sales, accounting, product development, product support - some or all of which may be broken down into smaller entities focused on each product line. In Business 101 this is referred to as "division of labor" (no need to thank me for the additional college credits I just provided).

I'm going to bet that if you looked through the different product areas in the Fender Lounge you just might find a "sticky" note at the top asking for feedback for product improvements. I commend Fender for doing such things as this is the best way to understand what their users want. And it's a great starting point, but not a guarantee of anything. Once collected, prioritized, and evaluated for feasibility, it's then put forward to compete with all of the other product divisions for resources to do it. At which time the most important questions will be asked...the QUANTITATIVE questions such as, how much in additional revenue will this bring in compared with the cost of doing it? And there's the catch...how much additional revenue? You see, in all likelihood most of the other departments are asking for resources and CAN predict additional revenue for the cost of the improvement. No matter what...that's a TOUGH sale as it goes through the resource evaluation and allocation process.

Now maybe in your world you're used to getting whatever you want whether it's justifiable or not, but for the VAST majority of us, we have to make decisions in much the same way about what we can or can't do based on our resources available. Stomping your feet, threatening to hold your breath till you turn blue, or throwing yourself on the ground in a tantrum doesn't change the realities of limited resources. :lol:

And no, I don't KNOW what goes on behind those walls, but after a long career working as a consultant to a number of Fortune 500 companies, I can make a pretty educated guess.

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