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Post subject: usb connection output level control?
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:05 pm
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I've been playing along to tracks in audacity for practice between lessons (man I still love this little amp - a shame they seem discontinued)....

But I've noticed that the DEC Audio option doesn't have much output - ie, record level of that output set to full in audacity and the sound recorded still has to be decibel adjusted upwords in the recorded track to get near audible enough.

in XP, the sound control panel for when I have the DEC audio selected has no settings...so I can't adjust it there.

I've seen that for other actual DAW software use, I can run line6 GearBox (or is this in amplitube...sorry) and add 18db there but I was hoping for a way to improve my straight GDEC/Audacity recording experience....

Any hints for the newbie?

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Post subject: Re: usb connection output level control?
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:25 pm
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Hi martinf64,

You can access the USB Gain feature in the Advanced Amp panel in the Fender® FUSE™ software. This setting can be saved per Preset. Please let us know if we can assist further.

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Post subject: Re: usb connection output level control?
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:37 pm
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Thanks for responding...

Is that USB Gain setting only in V2.7 or is it in 2.6 as well?

In 2.6 I found that there is a GAIN setting under Advanced Amp.
But when I change that, it changes my Compression dropdown to show 'Custom.
So it seems tied/linked to the Compression setting....

and it wasn't labelled as USB Gain.


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Post subject: Re: usb connection output level control?
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:20 am
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martinf64 wrote:
Thanks for responding...

Is that USB Gain setting only in V2.7 or is it in 2.6 as well?

In 2.6 I found that there is a GAIN setting under Advanced Amp.
But when I change that, it changes my Compression dropdown to show 'Custom.
So it seems tied/linked to the Compression setting....

and it wasn't labelled as USB Gain.


Martin


Hi Martin,
I tried this as well and I'm using fuse v2.3. Although the gain is under the Compressor settings, when it's changed, the other compression settings remain the same...only the gain is increased - and the drop down menu changes to custom. The increased gain is very noticeable (depends on where you start, of course) and I recorded into Goldwave using the G Dec and the signal levels are affected using the gain.
One thing I did notice, though, was that once the gain was changed the gain knob would stay fixed at it's new position - 3 o'clock, say - even if the preset wasn't saved and I'd gone to another preset, then back to the original one. However, if I exited Fuse, then booted it back up, all was as it had been before any (unsaved) changes!!??!
As a further note, I applied an increased gain setting to one of the acoustic presets - small body echo - and it worked really well...lots of volume, no distortion.
hth..and thanks to TSL for this,
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Post subject: Re: usb connection output level control?
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:23 pm
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Thanks for looking into this.

I tried this with a few of my presets, recording into Audacity using the "G-DEC USB" input that appears when G-DEC is connected over USB.

If there was a difference in USB output, it was very very slight.

I did notice the difference in Gain setting via the audible output of my amp though.
(and to be clear I am only increasing the Gain setting that is under Advanced Amp).

And in some of the presets, increasing that 'hidden' Gain setting past 50% pretty much obliviated my Noise gate function.

Maybe this is only a problem when using Audacity or that generic G-DEC USB audio input option?
In XP, when I select Sound properties in control panel, then I can select my sound cards inputs or outputs I can only adjust the GDEC USB properties for playback - it doesn't give me any settings to adjust for Recording.

Thanks for the suggestions and the help.

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Post subject: Re: usb connection output level control?
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:38 pm
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Hi Martin...
Unfortunately, I'm using Win7 on my laptop and you can set levels for either playback or recording on the DEC Audio device via manage audio devices from the Hardware and Sound page in Control Panel.
Even so, I had the recording level set to 10 (out of 100) as higher settings were causing clipping.
I then recorded into Goldwave as I don't have Audacity. I did find that if I increased the gain in Fuse from 9 o'clock to noon or so, my recorded signals roughly doubled.
I'll get Audacity and have a look after supper...
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Post subject: Re: usb connection output level control?
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:58 pm
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Martin,
Me, again...dinner will have to wait!
I downloaded and installed Audacity v2.0.3 and set it up with Microphone (DEC Audio) as input. Top right portion of the software has 2 sliders: one for the speaker o/p, the other for the DEC i/p. In my case the slider was at 10 (out of 100) where I'd set it from the control panel. The slider responds to any changes made via the control panel (and vice versa if you change the slider setting). Audacity shows the input volume at 0.1.
I recorded from my G Dec 3 30 and the volume was perfect!!!
So, I guess that my bottom line is that I'm not sure what's happening with your setup????
ooops...dinner is ready, must eat!
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Post subject: Re: usb connection output level control?
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:20 pm
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Thanks for your efforts here Alex, I really do appreciate having someone else try this out!

I'll play with it some more but I'm pretty good with computer stuff in general, just the audio/guitar gear I'm less proficient in...
I also had the input DEC USB and at or almost at max.

I have a G-DEC 3 15 - so I suppose it's possible that the USB output of the two amps is somehow different.

But I'll play around with it some more and report back here.

Thanks again and to the Fender rep for weighing in - I knew about the advanced amp settings but didn't know the Gain in there was for usb output...

Martin


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Post subject: Re: usb connection output level control?
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:00 am
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Thanks for your kind words, Martin...much appreciated.
I used to have the G Dec 15, but traded up to the 30 mostly for the balanced line outs for recording. I did record with the 15, though and I used the headphone out jack into mic in on my laptop IIRC. I think that I used Audacity then as well.
Have you tried that?
The G Dec's are great little amps - you're spot on about that!
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Post subject: Re: usb connection output level control?
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:18 pm
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Hi martinf64,

Thanks to AlexeiY as always for your contributions here. I wanted to check in with you and see if you were able to see the USB Gain feature in the build of Fender® FUSE™ (V2.6.x) that you have? If not, please check out the last current V2.6.0 build via the link below.

There, you should see the USB Gain labeled as such in the Advanced Amp panel in the Preset Editor window. Please check it out and let us know if we can assist further.

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Fender® FUSE™ Version 2.6.0.25 (Win)
http://support.fender.com/software/fend ... 6.0.25.exe

Fender® FUSE™ Version 2.6.0.25 (Mac)
http://support.fender.com/software/fend ... 6.0.25.dmg

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Post subject: Re: usb connection output level control?
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:38 pm
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Fender TSL wrote:
Hi martinf64,

Thanks to AlexeiY as always for your contributions here. I wanted to check in with you and see if you were able to see the USB Gain feature in the build of Fender® FUSE™ (V2.6.x) that you have? If not, please check out the last current V2.6.0 build via the link below.

There, you should see the USB Gain labeled as such in the Advanced Amp panel in the Preset Editor window. Please check it out and let us know if we can assist further.

Best Regards,

Fender® FUSE™ Version 2.6.0.25 (Win)
http://support.fender.com/software/fend ... 6.0.25.exe

Fender® FUSE™ Version 2.6.0.25 (Mac)
http://support.fender.com/software/fend ... 6.0.25.dmg



Hi Alan...
Thanks, as always!
Sorry to hijack, Martin, but one question....is the gain function in version 2.6.x any different than that in the (ancient) version 2.3.0 that I'm using?
thanks,
Alex
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Post subject: Re: usb connection output level control?
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:44 pm
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TSL - I downloaded this 2.6.0.25 version and installed overtop of my existing installation.
But the Advanced amp screen in the Preset Editor still just shows "Gain".

Did I need to do a full un-install and delete folders etc for it to "take".
(gosh I miss the days of a specific exe file and associated dllls...)

I've attached a screenshot of my application window, perhaps I'm just missing something.
oops..ok, can't upload images...you'll have to take my word for it.
hmm...maybe this will work:
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AlexeiY - I can't answer that question - I just started using Fuse from 2.4 or 2.5 on.

Thanks again everyone, it's a minor issue but I'm very impressed with the support I'm getting here....

Martin


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Post subject: Re: usb connection output level control?
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:01 pm
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I did a full uninstall of Fuse on Windows XP, and then installed the new 2.7 public beta.

I still don't see anything labeled as USB Gain under Advanced Amp, and when recording with Audacity - same lick at 20% Advanced Amp Gain setting, and then at 80%, no change in recorded output (but I had to dial down the pickup volume because the amp output was boosted).

GDEC audio selected as input and set to max.
Audio output through Audacity set to max.

Maybe this onboard sound chip (Gigabyte PA35-DS3L Mobo with HD Azalia (ALC888) chip just isn't compatible with this setting.

Martin


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Post subject: Re: usb connection output level control?
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:32 am
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Hi Martin...
Have you tried using a stereo cable from the headphone out to the mic in yet? Of course the signal may be too high....do you have a line in on your computer?
You may be right about the sound chip on your computer as the source of the problem :?
My HP laptop has an IDT High Definition Codec.
I now wish I hadn't traded my GDec 3 15 in on the 30 now, else I'd give it a try.
I would have thought that the 15 would act similarly to the 30 :? :?
trouble, trouble :cry:
Perhaps an email directly to Fender TSL asking about any differences between the 15 and 30 usb behaviour in the G Dec's would help? TSL@Fender.com
good luck...
Alex
ps...It's yet another cold, drizzly, thoroughly rotten day here in Toronto. I'm beginning to wonder whether starting all the garden seeds for container planting outside was a mistake :cry:

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Post subject: Re: usb connection output level control?
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:34 pm
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Hi martin64,

I wanted to chime back in here and offer my apologies. The Fender® G-DEC® 3 amp series does not offer USB Gain. This was my oversight. All Fender FUSE™-supported products except for the G-DEC 3 amps do offer this feature, which shows as a specific USB Gain knob. Again, my apologies for the oversight.

With that said, you will want to make sure that your channel Volume is turned up (to 10 if needed). You can also do some "gain adding" by utilizing the gain or level control in some effects as you apply the effect. Just be sure to watch your overall gain structure so that you don't overload the internal digital signal chain.

And again, please let us know if we can assist further. Thanks much.

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