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Post subject: is it possible to get a good clean channel setting on g-dec?
Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:55 pm
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okay, when the g-dec first came out, i bought one for my son, who was just beginning to learn the electric guitar. eventually, he got good enough that the built-in effects on the g-dec weren't versatile enough for him. he mainly wants real-time control over effects. so i bought him a multi-effects device with an expression pedal. unfortunately, the device has its own settings for amp and speaker virtualization, so when you plug it through the g-dec, the guitar sounds like ca-ca.

does anyone know of any way to get a good transparent channel setting in the g-dec that you can plug an external effects device in and have it sound the way it is supposed to?


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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:11 am
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44 views and no replies? i guess it isn't possible. guess i'll have to sell the g-dec. what a shame that fender couldn't put something as basic as a clean channel into this thing.


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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:51 am
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Don't give up yet, ironically I was playing through my G-Dec last night for the first time in months. I'll see what I can come up with, but it could be a day or it could be a week before I get back to you! I'm guessing that a clean signal will be set up with gain at or below 5, likewise with the "amp volume", and set bass/mid/treble likewise. Eliminate all effects except maybe a little reverb (that's my taste in sound) and then try different amp models to see what works. These amps were obviously targeted to young folks who lean towards distorted sounds like metal, so the rest of us who want clean or mild distortion end up not using the presets much if at all. One thing to remember is these amps don't sound all that great, I think the speaker is not the greatest. I wouldn't sell it too fast, still a nice practice tool and I doubt you'd get much for it anyway. We'll keep in touch, but like I said, might be a while before I return. Let me know if you discover something too!
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:56 am
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Maybe you/him should think about getting another amp. Sounds like you need a no nonsense straight forward tube amp to provide some good cleans. Like maybe a Blues Junior or something similar.


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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:52 pm
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G-DEC came programmed with a mostly wildly over-the-top buzzfest of nasty distortion presets. But the Cyber engine itself gives you full control over everything. If you want to see everything at once, use the PC editor. Otherwise you have to page through a bunch of junk to find what you need to clean it up.

The simplest tool by far for a starter kid is the G-DEC Jr. Everything's on knobs right in front of you like a real amp. No pagination. Just twist your fist. Sounds good, too. You can get clean to mean and in-between if that's your scene.


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Post subject: i gave up
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:47 pm
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i gave up on trying to get a clean preset that would work with an external modeling effects device. it was too frustrating. for $200 i bought a brand new crate gt212 combo amp. 120 watts into two 12" speakers, with a true clean channel and an external effects loop. works perfectly with my son's digitech rp350.


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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:01 pm
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It is a crying shame that the G-DEC presets are such a buzzfest. Turned a ton of folks off to the product. They didn't need to be. G-DECs cyber engine can produce some gorgeous, shimmering cleans right up there with the Twin Reverb or the Roland JC itself.

That's the beauty of the G-DEC Jr: you don't get somebody else's idea of what gain should be--they give you good old DIY KNOBS to twist.


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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:05 am
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The Jazz setting number 13 (I think) is not too bad.

Ray


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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:23 pm
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I had a G-DEC and i sold it cause i could'nt get any good clean tones. If you want to try tube amps checkout the blues junior. Much better than the G-DEC and awsome cleans


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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:51 pm
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Just returned my g-dec for a full refund. Poor instructions in manual and clunky interface, along with less than acceptible effects and amp sims all added up to no sale. Fender once again displays its half-stepping shuffle. Where have you gone, Leo?


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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:26 am
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I might be way off here because I don't yet own a g-dec but am in the process of researching which i would like. While researching different sites, I found this which I believe may be a clean setting (user defined, obviously). It is on the fender g-dec wikispace under user presets...

Amp Type
Blackface 1

Gain
5.5

Volume
9.0

Bass
5.5

Midrange
5.5

Treble
10

Compression
Off

Timbre
None

Noise Gate
Off

Effects
None

Reverb
None

I hope really is clean because I've never tried it but the site claims that it is. Here is a link: http://g-dec.wikispaces.com/User+Presets


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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:59 am
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Let's clear the air here, way too much baloney flying around:

1) Of course you can get tons of gorgeous, glassy shimmering cleans out of the G-DEC series.

2) The reason you think you can't is you're relying on the buzzy, way overdriven presets. Forget them, with G-DEC, you have to roll your own, plain and simple.

3) Yes, the interface on all but the G-DEC Jr is tedious and frustrating. Paging and paging, punching buttons, and the depth of control is waaaay beyond what the average user can or wants to deal with.

4) The salvation of the midi-based PC editing is not salvation but that hot, fiery place down below. Why? NO REALTIME EDITING. Useless.

So you're all right in some ways, but dead wrong about the potential of the product. In there someplace, with tedious tweaking, is all the cleans you could ever ask for. You just have to roll yer own.

Or you can just pick up a G-DEC Jr and plug-in n' play it like an amp with actual knobs. The choice is up to you, but props to Fender for giving us that choice.


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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:24 am
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If you listen to the Gdec through a headset or feed the signal to your home sound system, you may change your mind about the overdurven kids thing. The sounds are outstanding.

I do agree, making your own patches is the way to go. Most of the ones in the amp are too.....something.

On "mygdec.com" in the file repository under "gdec" is an excell sheet with over 300 patches. Just over half of these were translated form Cyber Twin and Cyber Deluxe sites, but work very well in the Gdec.

Looking for a clean, as in "effects by pass" like no coloration, sound? I don't think you can get there from here. There will always be speaker and amp emulation no matter what you do with the menus. I don't think Fender intended the Gdec to operate as a midi player while you played through with a POD/Pandora or something similar.

The Jr has knobs. So does my Cyber Deluxe. In both cases when you change presets, you have no idea where anything is set because the knobs don't reposition.

I like the menus. They are very well designed when compaired against other manufacturer's products. They are also smart menus, in that when you change the first item, amp or effect, the other parameters change to give you a representitive setting without going into the rest of the menu. You rearly need to deeper then the first or second level.


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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:47 pm
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I've got no problems getting a clean preset, i'll make my own.

Amp type : Blackface 1

gain : 5 to 8

volume : 8 to 10

bass : 6

middle : 6.5

treble : 6

Compressor : off

timbre : none or full body

noise gate : off

Effects : RVB type - spring
RVB level - 1.6 (my setting, maybe you like more)

This works also with Amp type : Tweed 1

To keep it realy clean put volume at 10 and lower the gain.

Peter


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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:07 pm
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If you are pushing the Gdec with a Pandora or some other pedal, watch the input level. Press FX and scrole the knob until you get "no effects." Then press amp and select either blackface or dyna-touch 1. Then play. If there is any distortion sound you are overdriving the input stages of the amp. Back off the guitar or effect volume until the fuzzy, tinny distortions sound goes away.

You need to becareful of any external effects that may boost your guitar's signal strenght or a guitar with hot pickups. You can very easily push the input stages to distortion. It sounds bad too.

I roll back the volume on the guitar most of the time. If I want something I don't have to think about too much, I use a compresser switched to "clean" and control my volume through it. Mine doesn't really by-pass. It stays in the system, so I use its volume control so I can play with the guitar knobs like normal.


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