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Post subject: B-DEC Discontinued?
Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:07 am
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When and why has the B-DEC been discontinued? Thanks.


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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:15 am
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Yeah, looks like the whole Gdec thing is upside down. Hope Fender is going to do something different... Time will tell
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:17 pm
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Yeah, I don't know what to make of it. Between me (bass) and my boy
(guitar), we have three DECs in our house: G-DEC, G-DEC 30 and B-DEC.
We love them all. The G-DEC 30 and B-DEC haven't been around all that long
(two years tops). I wonder why Fender pulled the plug on those. Maybe they
were hard to support given their complexity. Perhaps it was reliability. I know
from first-hand experience that those data wheels could be flakey and these
units were replaced; not repaired -- that's got to cut into profits.

I hoped to see this line evolving into even better DEC-type units (more features
and more power). I'm not sure that's going to happen now.


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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:29 pm
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Being a G-DEC-30 owner, I think they have a great product. But I can see the possibility of eliminating the -30 since there are 2 other models... and since they are all considered practice tools/amps, how many do you really need in your product line? Also, the increased power output may have blurred the marketing line between practice and performing.

But the B-DEC was the only practice/training type model on the bass side so discontinuing it tells me there is either some serious re-thinking going on at Fender, or just too many problems with the manufacturing plant and the costly support of these products, so they yanked 'em to preserve their bottomline and cut their losses....... ya think????


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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:47 pm
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I have a Jr, and it's simple to use.

Maybe something's up with the bass side of things.

Amp-wise basses can be a very different animal than guitars.

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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:51 am
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The B-DECs are simple to use, too. By "complexity," I meant mostly that
Fender has to support these products with software. There are the music
downloader, preset editor, MIDI file converter and firmware updater.
Furthermore, they need a Windows version and a Mac version for each of
these. These are all items that Fender doesn't have to worry about with
regular amps. All of these affect the bottom line and, for a not-too-expensive
product that is replaced; not serviced and a company not all that familiar with
software support, Fender may have realized that they bit off a little more than
they anticipated.

I'm hanging on to my DECs. They are great devices.


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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:18 pm
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warnergt wrote:
I'm hanging on to my DECs. They are great devices.
Agreed, I'm glad my G-DEC30 and B-DEC haven't had any problems (knocking on wood).

warnergt wrote:
The B-DECs are simple to use, too. By "complexity," I meant mostly that Fender has to support these products with software. There are the music downloader, preset editor, MIDI file converter and firmware updater. Furthermore, they need a Windows version and a Mac version for each of these. These are all items that Fender doesn't have to worry about with regular amps. All of these affect the bottom line and, for a not-too-expensive product that is replaced; not serviced and a company not all that familiar with software support, Fender may have realized that they bit off a little more than they anticipated.
I use the Mac versions of the editors, and they are some of the clunkiest pieces of software I've ever used. It's easier to create presets on the 'DEC itself, mainly because you can hear what you're doing, but the editors have their uses. I guess we should just be glad we got 'em.


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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:25 am
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+1 for hanging on to your GDEC.

FYI: They discontinued the BDEC AND GDEC-30 as well.

I was actually surprised that they still have kept the original GDEC. I would have thought the GDEC junior would have replaced it instead of existing side-by-side. After all, most of the GDEC problems originated because of the selector wheel and the associated programming errors. The GDEC Junior pretty much eliminated those problems.

And I also agree.... I don't think Fender was prepared to deal with a "software" associated product line and the added support needed.


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Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:30 am
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I strongly prefer the -30. That being said, I think the -30 conflicted with other product lines and didn't make the total revinue of the base gdec.

The Jr has it's own market and is doing well.

I guess I'm outside the normal market. I have both a Gdec-30 and a Cyber-Deluxe. I don't expect to trade them in any time soon.


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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:01 pm
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hey workerbee.... me too! I guess we're both out of the norm?

I think that a majority of users just don't like to venture far into the settings or don't take the time to understand them. I'm thinking there are many musicians that want an amp like they want a plain 'ol cellphone (you know,... just the basics, turn it on and go!)

Everyone I met that didn't favor the GDEC were those that also didn't feel comfortable with computers. If you have to think how to set it, then it's just too much work. Once you show them, their jaw drops and the "wow" factor kicks in!
That's OK.... everyone has their preference.
I'm not giving up my GDEC-30 any time soon! It's my greatest practice buddy!


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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:31 am
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I'm not surprised they discontinued the B-DEC, as it was always misunderstood that it was more practice tool that a gigging amp. I mostly use mine as a studio monitor (the piezo tweeter was pure genius). But I am very surprised that G-Dec isn't more popular. If I look at this as "glass half full" I suspect that those of us that hold on to this amp for awhile will be able to sell it for a very high price!


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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:43 pm
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I liked the idea of the Method Book for the B-DEC. The perfect accessory for that amps purpose. I wish they would have come up with one for the G-DEC, including the "Teacher" settings geared towards guitarists.


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Well, the GDEC3 is in the process (the teaser ads are out!) so we'll see if that also means a new BDEc is in the wings as well!


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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:16 pm
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I spoke to Fender's "Jay" at NAMM yesterday and he said the B-Dec is in-fact discontinued, unfortunately. But he is still trying to think of a new product / similar product and possibly bring it back in a different package. So, post your suggestions to help shape a potential new B-Dec.

I also put in a request for a 5-string P-bass Special or similar type of bass. Basically, an affordable (low price point) 5-string, P/J bass. He agreed that there isn't a bass like that in the current line up.


Jay, are you reading this?? Remember me?? I'll be waiting...
I have the 4-string P-bass Special. I would like to see it in a 5er!!!

You owe me....I saved you from that woman talkin' yer ear off about artificial insemination! LOL!


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Post subject: :-( Looking for B-Dec
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:06 am
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Damn, I just learned off the B-DEC a few months ago. I know I'm late to the party but I had kids so stopped playing for a few years, ok maybe a lot of years.

Anyway, this seemed like the perfect practice tool to get my chops back and maybe even pick up a few news skills. So sad to hear it was discontinued. I am on the lookout on Craigslist and eBay for a used one.

Fingers crossed I can find one.


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