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Post subject: Rumble On
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:59 am
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Id like to replace my current bass rig. Peavey MarkIV head and a single 15BW bottom, to lighter rig and hopefully tighter sound. Currently in a 3 piece classic rock bar band. Lower levels, 500 watt pa for vocals, no instrument or drum mikeing, playing for 50 - 150 people. I like the idea of a 15 inch speaker featured on the rumble 150, but like the headroom of the rumble 350 with 2, 10's. Does the 350 have the low end response I need? Does the 350 plan on offering a 15 inch speaker option? Is the Rumble 150 big enough to gig with?

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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:28 am
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Yes, I should think so. I have the Rumble 350 combo and it does have good response. I've always used 15"s previously (I was once worried about the same thing, too) and it does an excellent job. The thing is, now they are getting rid of the 350 (there is still some left at a discount, though) and replacing it with the Rumble 500 series. It's still the same 2x10" configuration, but now it's designed at 8 ohms and you can hook up an additional cab.

They do make an additional 15" cab now. They also have a 500 head, and they have upgraded the 150 series to 200 watts (including the head,) but that is also configured with the 8 ohms and the addition for another 8 ohm cab to get the full power. I'm not sure how these new amps are going to pan out yet, but I know the Rumble 350 is a little powerhouse. It's actually rated very conservatively.

From what I understand, the Rumble 150 is pretty decent and probably can hold it's own in your situation. Someone who has experience with one would be more helpful about it than me, but I can vouch for the 350 combo and there are others here who can vouch for the head version.

If you want either, I'd jump on it right away if you can find any, otherwise you can wait and see how the new ones are. If they are built anything like the old ones, then they should be fine. Apparently, they are even lighter, so it might be more appealing. Not that the 350 is too heavy. I use to have your exact same rig (it was a damned reliable piece of gear that served me well for many years, by the way) and I know how heavy those were, so it's a big difference, there.

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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:01 pm
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Welcome to the Fender Forums, WallyKski. Great question. First and foremost there is a newer more powerful lighter Rumble line coming very soon. Right now second generation Rumbles are being closed out at obscenely low prices. If you want one of these the time is now! Do not dilly-dally or piddle around in any way. POUNCE!

The Rumble 150 combo will do anything your current Peavey rig will do, only it will sound much better doing it. Just $250 shipped from Sweetwater. 55 pounds.

The Rumble 350 combo is a giant killer just like the 400 watt SWR Redred it was modeled after. 65 pounds. Great tone and tons of headroom. Lows for days. Power to spare and volume aplenty. $350 shipped.

Just be aware that the above combos are just that. Combos only, and already running at an optimal 4 ohms. No extension speaker output jack.

You may like the new version 3 Rumble 200 combo with 1x15 and the ability to add another 1x15 extension cabinet. 200 very rock solid/honest watts + 2x15's will rock your world. You may enjoy reading through this thread and check out the various videos. http://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=91658

Fender's wattage ratings are very conservative and honest. Unlike many competitors that flat out lie with 'fairy tale watts'.

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Post subject: Re: Rumble On
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:46 pm
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The thing I'm curious about, since the new one is rated at 500 watts into 4 ohms, what the stand alone rating will be with just the amp alone, which is just 8 ohms? Probably (judging from specs from amps with similar ratings) around 300 to 350 watts, which actually isn't too shabby. The thing that's confusing to me is if this is using the same power module as the 350 (which actually is more than 350 watts,) then what's the deal with this new one? They soup up the juice on it? Or is it something else entirely? I remember reading info on that module and they rate it around 500 watts, anyway. That's as far as I made out from it.

I suppose it doesn't matter as long as it is as good as the 350, but I'm still curious about the engineering behind the new one.

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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:06 am
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"Wally" - Not taking anything away from the great reputation of the 2013 Rumble 350, but since you are already familiar with Peavey products, test the new generation 300 watt Peavey Max 115 (II) series. You may be surprised at what you hear as compared to the 2013 Rumble 350. Lighter cabinet and tons of features. I have both - The Rumble 350 and the newest Peavey - and quite frankly, I prefer the Peavey for the same size venues that you are gigging at.

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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:38 am
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You know, that is true if you like your Peavey, and it does have a 15" speaker. I didn't really think about that since the inquiry was about the Rumble.

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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:16 pm
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I've been thinking about the new rumble head design. I have to admit, I like having just one volume control. Not sure I understand having a master and separate gain with a SS amp. I have mentioned I like the sweeping mid control. So, other than having some more watts, there is no GAS factor for a new rumble for me. A nice Crown, class D amp to power other cabs would be how I would expand the rig. The 350 is giving me some of the best tone I have ever gotten from a SS bass amp. And I had the mighty Acoustic 370 head with the reflex bottom (which I traded for a Peavey 2x15 cab), and a GK 800 RB sitting on the Peavey Black Widow 18" with 2 Scorpion 10" speakers (all one cabinet) running in bi-amp mode. 300 watts to the 18" and 100 to the 10's.

The Rumble sounds better, tone wise. I don't have to compromise. My speakers are probably the only place I might enhance tone. I'm thinking tone tubby neo 15" hemp cone. :lol:

Although, maybe a back up amp might be needed. Hmm. :shock:

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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 10:10 pm
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So I checked out the new Peaveys and they do sound amazing. Just waiting on the new Fender 200s to show up for a stare and compare. I'll miss my old MarkIV. A real work horse that never let go even when I used to run it at 2 ohms with 2 dual 15 BWCabs. Deaffening loud. One question though. If the Fender 200 is rated at 200watts into a 4 hom load and the extension cab says 8 ohm minimum , how does that work and what would the output wattage change to? By my calculations 4 homs and 8 ohms in parallel work out to roughly a 2.5 ohm total load. Using 4x8 over 4 plus 8 = 2.6

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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:19 am
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If you're talking about the combo, the 8 ohm minimum listing for the extension cab means that you can only use a cab rated at 8 ohms (or you could go 16 ohms, but those are pretty rare these days for bass) with the combo, which is actually wired at 8 ohms by itself. With the extension cab, you'll get the full 4 ohms and the 200 watts. Apparently, the new combos aren't wired for 4 ohms, so you can use an extra cab. If you use a 4 ohm cab with the combo, you'll damage the amp because it's not rated to go to 2 ohms.

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Post subject: Re: Rumble On
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:52 am
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My bad. Just now dug up new info.(as it slowly leaks out) on this amp. Turns out that it DOES come with an 8 ohm speaker and is only rated at 140 watts as a stand alone combo. The 200watt rating is with extension cab connected. btw- the Rumble 500 is 350watts as a stand alone. Fender is going the Peavey route of rating wattage. I just like the option of pushing more air from either side of the stage when needed. Thats what i do with my Fender HRD as well. Still might go the peavey route. Both seem to be the best choices in the $400 - $600 dollar range. Anything bigger i'll di. It.
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP Ive 'got allot to concider.

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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:26 am
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The one thing I don't get, although I understand why, is the fact you need an extension cab with a combo to get it's full power. When you think about it, it sort of defeats the purpose of having a combo amp in the first place. Too bad there isn't a way you can have the full wattage in the combo and yet be able to run it with an extra cab if you need more speakers. Although, I do believe there is some amp company that actually does this. I think I came across this at some point. I think the speaker jack is wired differently to do this. Is it series? Something like this.

If you like Peavey and want to stick with them, they are coming out with some new light weight heads that weigh 5 and 8 pounds and are 400 and 1000 watts. They're called the MiniMax and MiniMega. I've been thinking about looking into that as another amp option, beside using the Rumble. As much as I love my Rumble, I haven't been happy with the way it sounds with my Schecter J bass lately. It sounds great with my Fender P Bass Lyte and even the Squier Jazz I have, but there's something lacking with the EQ, as far as the Schecter goes. There's nothing wrong with the bass at all, but it's not really working with the Rumble. I haven't had this issue with anything else I've used.

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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:00 am
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I think it gives you a bit more versatility using a Combo, with or without an extension cab. In my case, my Combo puts out 300 watts. If I want to, or need the more full sound, the external cab only weighs 28 pounds. With the ext. cab, 500 watts. 29 Pounds for the Combo, and 28 pounds for the cab.

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Post subject: Re: Rumble On
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:34 am
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That is true. I suppose if all you needed was one cab and a head and it's enough juice, you can just carry it in one package with a combo.

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Post subject: Re: Rumble On
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:57 pm
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Lets face it my days of ear bleeding madness are over. Im 55 , play duos, occasional fill in a classic rock band and alot of blues. While some nay tell you there's little to no difference in volume between 140 and 200 watts output if you do the math. I do believe there is alot to be said for perceived volume. That is the sams wattage split 2 ways poshes more air and can be perceived as louder. Especially if you split the cabs up on stage. (No PA miking) thus another reason for an extension cab. Also the increased head room might allow you to get to 140 watts before distortion. Im all in on extension cabs.

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