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Post subject: Fender Bass Amplification
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:10 pm
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Don't ever mention Rumble amps at that place that whacks itself off a lot about bass!

Whoooo-Weeeee! What a rabid bunch of Fender haters!

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Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Amplification
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:46 pm
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What place is this? Does it start with a "T" ?
Oh geez is asked to much about it already.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Amplification
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:11 pm
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linnin wrote:
Don't ever mention Rumble amps at that place that whacks itself off a lot about bass!Whoooo-Weeeee! What a rabid bunch of Fender haters!

Ain't that the truth,....the snobs over at that place that likes to talk about everything Bass refers to the Rumble 350 as an entry level bass head...... The Rumble line of bass amps doesn't get much love over there,.......


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Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Amplification
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:42 am
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Yes, if it is who I think it is, I've mentioned something about them before around here somewhere. That's why I'm here and not over there. If I want to listen to some hot air I'd open up a can of beans and wait until I sit on the loo. :P

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Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Amplification
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:05 am
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Yes, if it is who I think it is, I've mentioned something about them before around here somewhere. That's why I'm here and not over there. If I want to listen to some hot air I'd open up a can of beans and wait until I sit on the loo. :P


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ya I'll go there once in a while to read some threads on equipment but I never post,...... this forum is a way more friendlier down to earth place. :)


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Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Amplification
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:34 am
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James Coderre wrote:
CPL wrote:
Yes, if it is who I think it is, I've mentioned something about them before around here somewhere. That's why I'm here and not over there. If I want to listen to some hot air I'd open up a can of beans and wait until I sit on the loo. :P


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ya I'll go there once in a while to read some threads on equipment but I never post,...... this forum is a way more friendlier down to earth place. :)


Agreed +2 There is a lot of knowledge to be had, but it can be a pain to find. I have thought about defending Fender Rumbles to the point of bannishment. :twisted: Flame Wars Are Always Futile. :twisted:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Amplification
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:17 pm
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I'd rather pick BrotherDave's brain here at the Lounge.

The Rumbles are nice, but they don't compare to the BXR300c(with a good preamp).


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Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:08 pm
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linnin wrote:
James Coderre wrote:
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Yes, if it is who I think it is, I've mentioned something about them before around here somewhere. That's why I'm here and not over there. If I want to listen to some hot air I'd open up a can of beans and wait until I sit on the loo. :P


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ya I'll go there once in a while to read some threads on equipment but I never post,...... this forum is a way more friendlier down to earth place. :)


Agreed +2 There is a lot of knowledge to be had, but it can be a pain to find. I have thought about defending Fender Rumbles to the point of bannishment. :twisted: Flame Wars Are Always Futile. :twisted:


I'm even wondering if the people slagging them off even own one, or if best, played through one for 5 minutes at their local Guitar Center. Sometimes slagging something off is a mindless collective effort to "seem cool."

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Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:14 pm
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Benny Hill wrote:
I'd rather pick BrotherDave's brain here at the Lounge.

The Rumbles are nice, but they don't compare to the BXR300c(with a good preamp).


Yes, the man is an encyclopedia of gear knowledge. He has some helpful documents on his site, too. I found one for my girlfriend's Precision Bass Lyte.

I had one of those BXR300 combos that I bought new, back in the day. It was a nice sounding amp. I traded it in and wound up with an Ampeg SVT 3 Pro. I should have kept the Fender, in retrospect. Actually, I should have kept my Peavey Data Bass amp that I had before it and still had when I got it, too. Dumb decisions of youth, I suppose.

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Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:13 am
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The Rumble series covers a LOT of territory. Yes there are entry level amps in the series. But there is no way anyone can convince me the Rumble 350 combo or head is entry level. Semi-Pro or gigging pro level maybe.

The Rumble 150 head and combo is sort of the crossover point from entry level to semi-pro stuff to me. Actually I could use the 150 head or combo and that probably would be fine, but the 2x10 350 combo just sounds better to me than the 150. That is possibly because it has more headroom.

The Rumble 350 is one of the best sounding all solid state amps out there for any amount of money and it eats Ampeg's lunch and whoops up on about any other amp costing 3 times as much. I've yet to hear an Ampeg combo that touches it. Even the old USA ones. I seriously do wonder about whether the speakers in the Rumble 350 combo can seriously take all the power the head can give though. Really wonder about that. But at the loudest I dare at a music store there is no fault in the 350 combo. I do like that Orange hybrid head that looks like a cross between a lunch box and some sort of ham radio rig too but it costs 3 or 4 times as much. So i'm not going there. Besides it's somewhat heavier to move.

The Tube Bassmans are nice but far too heavy for an old dude to lug around. I'll leave that heavy tube stuff to people without rotator cuffs tortured by SVT Classics and Sunn 2000S heads for 40 plus years. There's just no way I'm moving one unless I have a roadie and that is about as likely as winning a Grammy at this stage...meaning it ain't happening. I'm on my own and my solid state rack case is almost too heavy to move as it is. It probably goes 55 lbs at the most but feels like 100. My 2x10 is heavy too because it is Deltas instead of Neo's. It feels like 150 lbs but probably is more like 70 tops maybe. Gear gets heavier to me all the time. I need to sell that stuff because I'm just not planning to use it much anymore.

The thing is that all I really want is something loud enough to be a good stage monitor and feed a good XLR signal to the PA. That is really what works best anyway. So if you have a truck full of PA gear, just let the sound tech balance the entire band instead of having to balance everything else to you. There's no real point in anything more powerful than a Rumble 350 for me and maybe even that is actually too powerful. I suspect it might do more than 350 at 4 ohms into the right speaker array. The Rumble 350 is apparently underrated power wise. I have an Ampeg USA made head that is supposed to be 450 watts and on it's best day has never been as loud as the Rumble 350 head.

Entry level my foot. That Rumble 350 combo or the 350 head will deliver first rate tone in a light compact package and that is what it's all about. It ain't big or flashy. Sure, you can spend more but I don't think you'll really get more. You'll get sizzle but not steak.

Now some of the little Rumbles, those are entry level but also make good recording amps if you mic them properly. Rumble really is a catch all series spanning about every need.

The TV and TB Bassmans were great too. Hate they both got cut. Hope they don't cut the Rumble 350 head and combo anytime soon. It is a really good deal.

The BXR series was pretty good back in their day. The Rumble is class D. I think the Rumble has a faster attack, is quieter, runs cooler, is louder and is more power efficient. You can plug a tube preamp into it as well. The Rumble is also so much lighter it is ridiculous. The BXR was good yeah. But they are way heavy and pull a ton of juice. But back when they were out I played a BXR100 for rehearsals for a while. I downsized even from that. It was heavy and it was sturdy. Mainly it was heavy.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Amplification
Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:08 am
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The Rumble series covers a LOT of territory. Yes there are entry level amps in the series. But there is no way anyone can convince me the Rumble 350 combo or head is entry level. Semi-Pro or gigging pro level maybe.

The Rumble 150 head and combo is sort of the crossover point from entry level to semi-pro stuff to me. Actually I could use the 150 head or combo and that probably would be fine, but the 2x10 350 combo just sounds better to me than the 150. That is possibly because it has more headroom.

The Rumble 350 is one of the best sounding all solid state amps out there for any amount of money and it eats Ampeg's lunch and whoops up on about any other amp costing 3 times as much. I've yet to hear an Ampeg combo that touches it. Even the old USA ones. I seriously do wonder about whether the speakers in the Rumble 350 combo can seriously take all the power the head can give though. Really wonder about that. But at the loudest I dare at a music store there is no fault in the 350 combo. I do like that Orange hybrid head that looks like a cross between a lunch box and some sort of ham radio rig too but it costs 3 or 4 times as much. So i'm not going there. Besides it's somewhat heavier to move.

The Tube Bassmans are nice but far too heavy for an old dude to lug around. I'll leave that heavy tube stuff to people without rotator cuffs tortured by SVT Classics and Sunn 2000S heads for 40 plus years. There's just no way I'm moving one unless I have a roadie and that is about as likely as winning a Grammy at this stage...meaning it ain't happening. I'm on my own and my solid state rack case is almost too heavy to move as it is. It probably goes 55 lbs at the most but feels like 100. My 2x10 is heavy too because it is Deltas instead of Neo's. It feels like 150 lbs but probably is more like 70 tops maybe. Gear gets heavier to me all the time. I need to sell that stuff because I'm just not planning to use it much anymore.

The thing is that all I really want is something loud enough to be a good stage monitor and feed a good XLR signal to the PA. That is really what works best anyway. So if you have a truck full of PA gear, just let the sound tech balance the entire band instead of having to balance everything else to you. There's no real point in anything more powerful than a Rumble 350 for me and maybe even that is actually too powerful. I suspect it might do more than 350 at 4 ohms into the right speaker array. The Rumble 350 is apparently underrated power wise. I have an Ampeg USA made head that is supposed to be 450 watts and on it's best day has never been as loud as the Rumble 350 head.

Entry level my foot. That Rumble 350 combo or the 350 head will deliver first rate tone in a light compact package and that is what it's all about. It ain't big or flashy. Sure, you can spend more but I don't think you'll really get more. You'll get sizzle but not steak.

Now some of the little Rumbles, those are entry level but also make good recording amps if you mic them properly. Rumble really is a catch all series spanning about every need.

The TV and TB Bassmans were great too. Hate they both got cut. Hope they don't cut the Rumble 350 head and combo anytime soon. It is a really good deal.

The BXR series was pretty good back in their day. The Rumble is class D. I think the Rumble has a faster attack, is quieter, runs cooler, is louder and is more power efficient. You can plug a tube preamp into it as well. The Rumble is also so much lighter it is ridiculous. The BXR was good yeah. But they are way heavy and pull a ton of juice. But back when they were out I played a BXR100 for rehearsals for a while. I downsized even from that. It was heavy and it was sturdy. Mainly it was heavy.


Agree 100%. I have some gigs lined up (finally!) since we've finally found a guitarist (hopefully he won't flake out beforehand, since they're already booked-this has happened to us in the past) and I'll be putting it through it's paces in a live situation. There's a band from the UK called the Joy Formidable (they have an artist page on this site) and the bassist actually used a Rumble 350 combo live, even on stage at some festival (it might have been Reading, I'm not sure,) so I guess it's not that bad. I wish I knew the guy so I'd ask him about it. When I saw this, that was another recommendation for me, before I bought this amp. I figured if you're playing some events like this, then it couldn't be that bad. Not exactly what I'd call entry level, either.

Yeah, the one thing about the BXR from what I recall is it was rather bulky, especially compared to this one. Probably a little lighter than Peaveys (those things always seemed to be like boat anchors, probably why they last so long :P ,) but still pretty beefy. It did have a nice warm sound to it, like most Fender have, but so does the Rumble and I think you're right about it being louder. Even with the extension cab hooked up to the BXR, this one has more punch. I don't remember the noise factor on it, because I rehearse a lot in storage units, like you'd see at a U-Haul type place, back in the day. There were a bunch of other bands that were around off and on in other units with their doors open (it was in Florida and no AC units,) so it wasn't exactly what I'd call studio conditions.

True about the Ampeg. I've played through a Peavey Mark IV head running at 210 watts (I never got one of those down to 300 watts at 2 ohms, since I never had enough cabs to use) and it just cut through a lot better than my SVT 3 Pro (also US made, in the mid 90's) ever did. The Ampeg had a nicer, studio-like tone, but that's all it had. I always struggled with that thing. Then it blew up on me. Maybe that's why.

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Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:13 am
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:arrow: Cranked up my new Rumble 350 head for the second time, and man it is sooo RICH :!: Absolutely Great Tone is sooooo very easy to dial in. Although I'm just listening through headphones (good ones) for now, the sound is full; round, and meaty. Incredibly quick transient response provides a snappy attack with strong punch. Also a lovely taut/firm & assertive bottom puts some very nice bounce in your bassline. This is one seriously authoritative bass amp, and I am very happy to have it. :D

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Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:17 am
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That's great to hear. I know what you mean. I have my bass EQ set to center: the mid level set slightly to the right (before the first line;) the mid frequency around the center: the treble slightly to the right (just like the mid level;) and the punch engaged. I also have the tweeter shut off so I don't get too much treble. I like a warm, but authoritative type sound. Maybe some low mid boost and a slight touch of treble to not get too muddy. The reason I don't crank the bass too high is because I've read that can eat up your volume and be problematic in higher volume situations. The thing is, I'm using a P Bass Lyte with active P and J pickups (I have the bass maxed on that and the treble slightly up from center,) so when I get a new bass I'll probably have to tweak it again. I say this because if somebody tries that setting, it might sound like $@! to them because they might have a different bass set up. Tone is so variable.

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Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:01 am
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CPL wrote:
That's great to hear. I know what you mean...{edited, I hope you don't mind} Tone is so variable.


Yes Paul, tone is a HUGE and very subjective variable. Once I get some of the Neo cabs I'll post a review of both the cabs and Rumble 350 head, and also post some settings in the Rumble Tone Settings thread. I'll pay off the head next month. I may order the cabs right after that.

Over on that other place, I've been making positive comments on any thread that concerns Fender Bass Amplicfication based on my real life experience. So far I've not been directly attacked. Some people have been shocked. :shock: Additional 'shock treatments' will be forthcoming. :wink: :lol:

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Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:07 pm
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There's so many factors with tone, sans individual tastes. Even changing your strings (which I haven't done in three years-probably should do so :P ) and the brand of strings can effect it. It's definitely not "one size fits all," but I have had good luck with Fender gear in the tone department, so far. I suppose that's not a bad thing.

I probably should post my settings in the tone settings thread, if it's of any use to anyone. It's not an exact description, but I wrote it from just my memory from the last time I looked at it, which was a few days ago.

I wonder why they would be shocked? It's not like Fender is notorious for putting out total crap on a consistent basis through out the years. I suppose there would people that disagrees, but they would have gone out of business a long time ago if that were the case. Maybe it's just some form of snobbery, because it's not "boutique" or whatever.

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