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Post subject: Re: Good Tone Vs The Mud Bucket
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:10 am
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As far as milk and cookies go, I'm in favor of it.


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Post subject: Re: Good Tone Vs The Mud Bucket
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:11 am
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brotherdave wrote:
The nickname origin is from a previous career. It is not related to anything religious. I find I am better off staying out of any discussions regarding politics or religion on the internet. Somehow this thread went off the tracks.


Yes it has gotten off track,....... & with regard to the internet you're right CPL it has become a Soap box for people to be just plain mean, hostile & speak intolerantly while hiding annonymously behind a computer screen,....... these same people would probably be cowards in a face to face situation,.....Sad.
Now let's get this thread on track again!! :)


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Post subject: Re: Good Tone Vs The Mud Bucket
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:30 am
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Ok, I will.

I just achieved the best deep, tight tone I've ever gotten.

It occurred to me that my Avatar B212 cabs' Deltalite II 2512s are throwing a curve at me with their aggressive and very ragged hi mid outout. I'd been somewhat successful at taming that business with tone cuts, but the controls I had were never quite right -- either operating at the wrong frequency or having the wrong Q (too narrow or too wide).

Strangely, the best results I've ever gotten with those cabs have been with a BBE BMax preamp. (Passive, Fender-like tone stack, lol.)

So, I went out to Eminence and pulled down a PDF of that driver, then applied the opposite curve to an ART EQ-351, then set the hi-pass filter at 50 (to protect the drivers below cab cutoff) and dropped all the sliders below 40 to max cut as further protection. Then I added a few (4 or 5) dB of boost at the 63 through 125 sliders. Basically what that gave me was flat response from treble all the way down to the bass, where I'd boosted things a bit.

I drove the EQ with an ART Tube MP, and ran the EQ into an ART SLA-200 power amp.

Bass was an '80s Jackson/Charvel PJ converted to passive/control-less.

Man, it was beautiful. It sounded like I was running through a huge commercial-quality PA that someone had EQd just right with an analyzer. Smooth up and down the line, with lots of beef at the bottom end, but tight as hell, too.

The trick is understanding a) what your drivers' midrange response is, and doing whatever you have to do to fix it; and b) where the driver+cab cutoff point is, and killing everything below it.

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Post subject: Re: Good Tone Vs The Mud Bucket
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:33 am
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WOW!! :) Craig-P that was some good investigating on your part :) Interesting stuff..... glad you solved the problem, & thanks for getting the thread back on track.


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Post subject: Re: Good Tone Vs The Mud Bucket
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:13 pm
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That was a good idea.

I generally like to try to boost the 400 Hz frequency when I can for bass for clarity. That especially applies for recording. Here's the article, in case anyone is interested. It's written by Bob Dennis, who once worked at Motown.

http://www.alexandermagazine.com/record ... 4/bass.htm

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Post subject: Re: Good Tone Vs The Mud Bucket
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:30 pm
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CPL That is one gorgeous Black '70s Jazz Bass,.... :) Oh & by the way thanks for sharing this article with us.......Good Stuff, Good informative reading .


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Post subject: Re: Good Tone Vs The Mud Bucket
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:46 pm
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James Coderre wrote:
CPL That is one gorgeous Black '70s Jazz Bass,.... :)


+1

Love the vibe!

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Post subject: Re: Good Tone Vs The Mud Bucket
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:50 pm
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Ya I love the vibe too,....it's kinda like it's singing out to me..(in some weird way) :)


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Post subject: Re: Good Tone Vs The Mud Bucket
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:59 pm
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I should clarify, I don't actually own the bass I have in my signature. I found the photo earlier today when I was looking for photos of Jazz Basses. I will say I did actually own this bass 25 years ago and this was the first time I actually came across a photo of this particular model. I just added it to my signature because I just thought it was cool and it reminded me of what I once had.

I remember I paid $450 for it in 1988 and who knows what it would cost these days. I've noticed the 70's Fenders usually go for around $1800 or so, depending on condition. Mine was pretty mint, although it started to wear out around the arm area because I played the hell out of it. I wound up trading it to a former friend for a really nice Yamaha 335 hollowbody copy and he wound up destroying it by throwing it through the ceiling of some club, from what I heard. A tragic end to a nice bass that I cut my teeth on to learn to play and served me well when I actually could play something in a band. I've never came across another one since then and was surprised when I saw the photo.

When Squier came out with their '77 Jazz Bass, it got me thinking about that bass again, because it looks like it, missing the thumb rest and pick up covers, though.

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