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Post subject: Rumble line for 2013?
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:32 pm
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Any word on how or if Fender will expand it's line of Rumble bass amps? I love my 350 combo, but would really prefer a 500w head w/ 4x10 cab.


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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:20 am
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Now that the Bassman line is revamped, maybe R&D will have time to look at the Rumble combo line. Funny, but I remember when 250 watts was considered INSANE power.


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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:11 pm
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If you were over at the Talk Bass forum (which I haven't been in ages) the minimum requirement has to be 2500 watts of power and probably at least a 24 string bass made by some pretentious European luthier that you have to mortgage your home and sell your children into slavery to afford. At least the photos will look cool on the forum pages. Heh.

I remember that about 250 watts, too. I remember seeing an ad for a Dean Markley bass head that was 400 watts and being amazed at that.


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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:41 pm
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It is exciting to think of what the future may hold. I think the Rumble line is exceedingly well positioned right now vs. the competition. Ampeg's BA lineup is little changed over the past five years. :? The low end Peavey's are laughable. :lol: I looked at Behringer's Ultrabass combos, but just didn't trust them. :roll: Never actually played through one.

I found Fender's Rumble offings to be quite attractive in: pricepoint, wattage, and speaker size configuration whether cabinet or combo.

Any young electric bassist starting out with a Squire bass and a Rumble amp will be well served.

Fender Rumble has the quality and tone you need at an attractive entry level pricepoint. Sure I looked at some very nice high end 500 watt single 12 rigs in the $1,500 range. :shock: What i got was a Rumble 75 for $250. It suits my needs and sounds great doing it. :)


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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:29 pm
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I'll tell you, I haven't heavily gigged with it yet, but the Rumble 350 is one of the nicest rigs I've ever used. You can't beat the price, either. I've always like the sound of Fender amps over other amps I've used. They have a certain mojo to them, I think. The one thing that I'd add to the smaller Rumble amps is a line out of some sort. The smallest one that has one is the 75. This would be useful for demo recording, or whatnot. I guess you can mic it, but I don't like to do it that way.

I've never played through a Behringer, either. I would be cautious, too. To me, they have an unreliable vibe to them. I shouldn't judge something I've never used, but then again they don't have the best reputation. Of course, they just could be bashed for the sake of being bashed. I've noticed that happens a lot on the web.

I don't know about the new generation of Peaveys, but one thing I can say about the old ones is they are usually reliable. You can still find some Mark IVs around and working. Cheap as chips, too. I started out on those. The main problem I have with Peavey is I'm not too keen on the tone. It's workable, but to me, nothing compared to the Fender sound. The old ones will get you through the gig, at least.


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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:32 am
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BassPaulL wrote:
I'll tell you, I haven't heavily gigged with it yet, but the Rumble 350 is one of the nicest rigs I've ever used. You can't beat the price, either. I've always like the sound of Fender amps over other amps I've used. They have a certain mojo to them, I think..


I have to agree with you there, BassPaulL. MOJO by the train load.

Fender's Rumble videos really sold me on the sound quality.
http://www.fender.com/products/rumble

Although I've only had my Rumble 75 for just a month, I've been enjoying it everyday and sometimes several times a day. It exudes an aire of reliability and confidence. The 5 year warranty is a nice plus, but I doubt I'll ever have to make use of it.


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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:59 pm
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Yeah, I've tried to check out those videos, but the annoying thing is that they constantly buffer on my PC. I know what you mean about the sound quality, though. What sold me on the series was it's reputation. I read a lot of positive reviews and the price was right. I also like the aesthetics, as well. Although, I wouldn't mind an old school, silver cloth grill and corner logo for a vintage look. It would match the old Fender Super Champ I'm using for guitar. Well, there is always the new Super Bassman amps for that. If I can get that money tree to grow, that is.


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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:11 am
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I remember those with the disco lights, or whatever they were supposed to be and rat fur covering and plastic corners. That's what I used to hate about amps and cabs: The rat fur carpet and those clunky plastic corners. Of course, if you have a cat, it will enjoy it, though. :P


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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:53 pm
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Yeah, I think they really did their homework on these amps. I never had the chance to play through the first series. I did play through a couple of the black Bassmans from the mid or later 90's. I really liked the Bassman 400, I think it was called. Of course, I didn't have the funds for it. I wish I did.


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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:59 pm
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In the month that I have been exploring my Rumble's sonic qualities and tone shaping abilities the one thing I've come desire is the need for three midrange controls. In both the 75 & 150 the low mids are voiced at 400 Hz and the high mids at 1.2 kHz. In the 15 & 30 there is a single midrange control voiced at 630 Hz. I think it would be great to have all three:

Low Mids @ 400 Hz
Mids @ 630 Hz
High Mids @ 1.2 kHz

This way you could scoop out some of the mids at 630 Hz vs the very drastic cut of the 'scoop' tone shaping button's -13db @650 hz.

Just a thought Fender if you're listening. :wink:

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:49 pm
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Speaking of 400, there was a tip by a producer at Motown (I don't remember his name at the moment) about boosting the 400 for bass in recording. That, and each instrument should have it's own real estate.


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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:25 pm
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The Fender Rumble series, especially the larger combos are really gig worthy.

Behringer bashers abound. Their entry level practice amps are barely usable but in fairness the same can be said for many, many entry level models from other brands too. Behringer mid-line bass amps have a high-fidelity voicing so they are really good choices for recording modern fusion flavored stuff but they are not powerful enough for gigging without patching out to PA. These are surprisingly clean and punchy amps. Their high power combos are really heavy but some say they are over-speced in the power department and sound more like 150 watts than 300.

The weak point on some of the higher powered Behringer bass combos is usually that the speakers are frequently mismatched to the power output capability of the power amp. For example, putting a 200 watt speaker in a 300 watt combo or a 120 watt speaker in a 180 watt combo. I know for a fact they did that because I read the spec sheets a while back. They no longer publicize the specs on the speakers in the combos so far as I know, but they used to do so and anyone with half a brain would know that was a mismatch.

Additionally the aluminum cone speakers they put in some of their combos and cabs are known to separate from the assembly and the edge of the aluminum cone has to be re-glued. Many dealers caught onto this and that is why some dealers no longer stock or sell the aluminum cone models, but Behringer still makes them.

If you decide to buy a Behringer bass combo here is some advice. 1. Stay away from the aluminum cone speakers because the paper cone ones are more durable. 2. Don't turn them up over half volume. That really is true of most amps frankly. 3. Do not leave them powered up unattended. Again, true of about any bass amp. 4. Usually extended warranties are a huge rip off, but this is one of those products that it actually makes sense to buy the extended warranty because all the components are proprietary and you'll have to get repairs done at a Behringer service center. It would just be cheaper to buy another one than fix one of these.

While very, very, very few of them actually catch fire I've read about one person who claims to have lost their home as a result of one doing just that. They left it powered up unattended for a brief time to go to the store and when they returned the room was ablaze.

I use some Behringer things for home recording, but have never owned one of their bass amps. I have demoed them though and I thought they sounded real modern.

At one time there were lots of Peavey brand bashers. That was when Peavey was the new brand. Peavey now has a reputation for very reliable bass gear but it wasn't always like that. In fact it was common for people to remove the Peavey logos from their gear for years and years. Now that is no longer the case. While today's Tour series USA made Peavey stuff is as good as ever, all the little stuff is outsourced and the venerable USA made bedroom Queens like the Peavey MINX and Basic 60/112 models are footnotes in bass amp history. Still if you luck into a used MINX for cheap it makes a good practice amp.

I think Behringer has upped their warranty on bass amps to 3 years in an effort to improve their reputation. One thing about their larger combos is that they are mighty heavy. This extra weight is due primarily to particle board construction. The same can be said for many brands whose combos are extra heavy. Real wood cabs are much lighter, but also more expensive than particle board. Don't ever drop a particle board combo or cab.


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Post subject: Re: Rumble line for 2013?
Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:15 am
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BassPaulL wrote:
Speaking of 400, there was a tip by a producer at Motown (I don't remember his name at the moment) about boosting the 400 for bass in recording. That, and each instrument should have it's own real estate.


Smart man whoever he is! Yes 400 Hz is a critical frequency for good bass. I tend to always mildy boost the bass & low mids in tandem with each other for mutual reinforcement. If you want meaty mids 400 Hz is where it's at. 8)

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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:24 pm
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Yeah, I try to utilise this if I have that EQ option. It does seem to work rather well.

Speaking of Behringer, I recall reading about the horror stories about the aluminium cone drivers when they still sold those. Before I heard about this, I thought they could have been something to try out, since I liked the Hartke cabs at the time. I didn't have a lot of money, so I couldn't afford to gamble on something falling apart and dealing with repairs or new purchases. That was one thing good I liked about the old Peaveys (I don't know how the new generation is) is that they were generally cheap and reliable. At least the ones I ever came across. I didn't know that they were being bashed at one time for other than their tone.


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