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Post subject: The ONE perfect bass amp
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:50 pm
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I'm guessing we will see another overhaul of the Rumble combos soon. That got me to thinking about what I'd like to see on the "perfect" amp for me.

If you could have only one bass amp. What features and specs would this perfect amp have? It could be a combo or a stack but remember you have to take it to rehearsals as well as gigs because, remember, you can only have one.

Mine would be a 500 watts Class D combo at 4 ohms into one 15" Eminence Neo and one 10" Eminence neo with one Foster horn and a quality crossover, front cab porting, tube preamp, built in adjustable optical compressor, 6 band sliding EQ system on each channel, one active input with flat voicing plus passive input with vintage voicing and each have separate channels. Either a built in tuner or a tuner mute switch, tuner/preamp out jack, XLR direct out with adjustable level, power amp in jack, integral tilt back legs, birch cab, total weight under 60 lbs with wheels. No fans, no flashing red lights in the cab porting either please! But I would want it to say FENDER on the front and come with a ten year warranty! Put the Fender traditional grill cloth on it framed in black Tolex. Oh and retail is under $800. LOL


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Post subject: Re: The ONE perfect bass amp
Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:04 am
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me i would like to see a b-decIII series amp hell i think im pretty clear about that on these forums and i explain why in great detail.
Why by a amp with huge speakers that conceivably cost a fortune and weigh a ton to move around. My fender deluxe tube amp weighs a ton and is a major pain to haul from place to place.
But i love to play my git on the monster.
The b-decIII if it were to have the same innovations as the g-decIII could plug into any mixing board and play through that to banks of speakers in any facility and with the cradle cabinet of the b-dec i could use it as a monitor BONhttp://www.fender.com/community/foru ... &t=60988US.

read the link i posted.
Its clear that Loren Howards first response was in defense of the bronco and how it was just as good as the b-dec.
However after my rebutal he admits that the bronco does indeed not offer what the b-decIII serious could have.
here im going to make it clear in no way what so ever did the bronco make the grade it feel far short and i know im not the only one disappointed.


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Post subject: Re: The ONE perfect bass amp
Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:00 am
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Muskie, The point of my post was to look forward at the future of the Rumble series and not back at what apparently is a dead issue. The B-Dec was an ace home practice amp, perhaps the most versatile yet overly complex home practice amp ever. If you are computer savvy they rocked but if you weren't, they were underpowered and you never could utilize the potential. With some notable exceptions the majority of bassists are not computer geeks or software engineers. The B-Dec was practice amp overkill for sure, but a home practice amp is all I could see using it for. Clearly they were good sounding and feature laden beyond belief but not very loud amps. For the band I'm in they wouldn't even be loud enough to use as a stage monitor with the direct out to the PA. Most recording is frankly done direct or with a combination of direct and miked cab and the single 10" speaker didn't mike all that well. But in direct recording they were usable but there are smaller and better sounding direct devices. Frankly most recording engineers have a rote process for recording bass and this amp didn't fit their "system" of getting it done. The demand for the B-Dec was just not there. One online dealer holding a bunch of B-Dec inventory resorted to giving you a free B-Dec when you bought a Fender Standard Bass for a while just to get rid of the glut, they had to be taking a beating or at best breaking even just to unload them.


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Post subject: Re: The ONE perfect bass amp
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:16 am
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yes your right the b-dec was not all it could be i think your still missing the point here what part of this is not clear.
Check the g-decIII which was introduced after the The b-dec was dropped they never continued the b-dec to the B-decIII series and for being computer savvy hell man it is the year 2012 if your not computer savvy by now ah i think your in the stone ages hell my daughter was compoutere savy at the age of 5 seriously.
The picture is this if the computer was the issue why did they continue the g-dec serious am i to understand the guitar players are smarter or any different than bass players.
damned i can not believe i am hearing these lame arguments.


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Post subject: Re: The ONE perfect bass amp
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:20 am
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oh not to mention the topic of this thread was the one perfect bass amp and in my educated opinion the B-decIII would have been the one perfect amp for me.
Hell the stock you reefer to being given away if you read these forums there are guys and people i know in real life buying them off eBay and searching stores for the old b-dec.
Do more research before you make comments please.


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Post subject: Re: The ONE perfect bass amp
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:16 pm
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Muskokamillwright, meanwhile you are missing my main point. The purpose of starting this thread was to look forward at the next generation of RUMBLE Bass Amps.

I wish you good luck with your B-Dec Revival Crusade. Other successful revivals from the dead have been accomplished recently such as the Fender Jaguar Bass and every now and then they breakdown and reissue the Fender Bass VI. However you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar and perhaps the caustic obscenity laced approach you tend to favor, such as your Loren Howard exchange and the one with me in this thread, is not the way to go about orchestrating a successful revival campaign with the powers that be at FMIC or to go about eliciting support of fellow forum members. A rational and civil ongoing dialog that might actually lead to something could be more advantageous to your cause.

If you have any ideas for the Rumble combo series overhaul then you could say, "make a Rumble B-Dec III" or whatever model you want to call it and list the features you want. I'm not arguing with you about the quality of the B-Dec because I personally liked the B-Dec and consider it the best bass practice amp platform any company ever offered. The workmanship, component quality, features like the rhythm capability and versatility of tone was way above what you usually expect to see in a practice amp. Their usefulness though was limited to low power applications. Many shoppers found it both overly complicated and too pricey for a practice amp, so they wound up buying a simpler and less expensive Rumble or to FMIC's dismay another brand altogether.

With say 250 watts and a 2x10 or 1x15/horn speaker array a B-Dec platform would be a far more useful combo. However B-Dec technology in a powerful platform like that would be very pricey and fit better into the Bassman professional line than into the base Rumble series. FMIC is into mass marketing. The B-Dec was maybe too good for the masses and continuing to mass produce a product that doesn't have mass appeal is a losing proposition to a big corporation. Bass gear history is littered with awesome products that didn't make it in the long run because they just didn't have a mass universal appeal. For big corporations it is all about massive volume sales, market share, brand awareness, brand loyalty and getting them while they are young. The B-Dec while a great little package just wasn't selling in massive volume.

The concept of the ideal bass amp has changed significantly over the past 5 years, not just for me but in general. I am always looking for something smaller and lighter to do the job of something bigger and heavier. Class D power amps, Neo speakers, revolutionary transformer design, hybrid amp/preamp systems, digital emulation, software voicing interfaces, downloadable voicings and other recently available technology are all playing into the ongoing bass amp revolution that has me very excited about the future of bass amps.


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Post subject: Re: The ONE perfect bass amp
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:11 pm
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Amen Brotha! I myself had been politely trying to say the same thing, but unless someone totally 100% agrees with everything he's preached, the man's not gonna be happy. I came in post-B-Dec, but have read for some it was a wonderful tool to create music with, and for others underwhelming in real-world situations (like playing with others).

Yes, it coulda, shoulda, woulda, but it didn't and it's time to drop the subject and move on. There's a bright new world of opportunity out there and hopefully Fender is going to continue making innovative products for guitar and bass alike.

While I'm not interested in a Rumble per se, a 300-watt 1-15" version would be a nice alternative. Think 150 in 350's clothing. Also, ditch the "special-design" speakers and replace them with real speakers like the Emminence drivers used in the higher-up models. I'm totally underwhelmed with my Bronco 40's speaker as it tries to be jack-of-all-trades and is pretty much master of only boom. Okay, so I guess I did have a thought or two about the next Rumble...

Finally, and you can chime in, brotherdave, if you have a thought on the subject; a floor board version of the Bronco 40 platform for us bassists. I've already begun the secret campaign to get these built by next Christmas. Yeah, the world is supposed to end on the 24th, but I'd still like to ask Santa for one. Build a Mustang-copy for my Fender Jazz/Markbass rig and I'll be the first to buy one. Are ya listening Fender? Loren, what do you think?


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Post subject: Re: The ONE perfect bass amp
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:43 am
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Good point. Actually I could see either the B-Dec or the Bronco Floorboard as a practical thing. Fuse software and all would make it a winner.


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Post subject: Re: The ONE perfect bass amp
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:23 am
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With the DI, a Jensen or Jensen type transformer.

With the eq., Baxandall tone stack minus the 6 band. I know this is just my opinion.

I guess I am messing up the price point. :D


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Post subject: Re: The ONE perfect bass amp
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:28 am
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Hey, Dave - we should petition Fender to bring back the early 2000's Bassman 250-210 combo. The one that I have IS the perfect bass combo for my own style, although the Rumble 350-210 in my inventory is nearly as good, in my opinion.

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Post subject: Re: The ONE perfect bass amp
Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:08 am
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you guys just don't get the picture and your comments are offensive you both have stated you didn't do the research i have ans yet your arguing with me.
The point is do the research i have and then argue with me.....................................


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Post subject: Re: The ONE perfect bass amp
Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:13 am
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maybe you two guys would like to reply to this guys recent post on how successful the bronco is and maybe you can tell him whether the rumor his local dealer has dropped true or not?





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Post subject: Re: The ONE perfect bass amp
Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:10 am
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I did reply. Check it out. No one is trying to offend anyone, but you haven't been exactly easy to communicate with either. If anything, you've been offensive to those of us who spent our hard-earned cash in the Bronco only to be told by you that it's an abomination. How would you feel? We've done nothing other thsn agree with you that for some applications (not playing out) the B-DEC was a useful tool to be used by a bassist. Guess what? So is the Bronco 40 in its own way and that's all we've tried to say; to each his own.

If the Bronco 40 is to be replaced already then we're all in the same boat, aren't we? Like I said, woulda, coulda, shoulda. The difference is the majority of us aren't going to be complaining incessantly about it, or at least I'm not. The Bronco is either going to stay in my practice room where I'll enjoy it's tone at a lower level or it's going on C-list where I'll take what money I get back and continue my journey to the next amp.

So as of today, March 17th, I'm am officially ending my own comments pertaining to the B-DEC subject. Thanks for driving it into the groundut if, through your infinite wisdom, Fender agrees with you and replaces the Bronco 40 with a brand new B-DEC version we'll credit you with having more insight then the rest of us, and then I'll go out and buy an Ampeg combo!

The Defense rests...


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Post subject: Re: The ONE perfect bass amp
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:21 am
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My idea was to never replace the bronco if you read the long post i placed i talked about the G-Dec III series and Mustang series of amps.
Here in a shorter post i can say it again the mustang series are a lower priced option than the G-Dec III series as it should be and likewise the G-Dec III series is just that much more amp for the extra cash you pay.
The link i posted is someone asking if its true fender is dropping the bronco series already as that was suggested to him by a dealer.


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Post subject: Re: The ONE perfect bass amp
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:05 pm
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Muskie, homeslice, take it easy and think about what BroDave is talking about here. He's asking what features you want in a RUMBLE series amp. What improvements, revamps or revivals would you like in the RUMBLE series? I can appreciate your love for the B-Dec, but the original post had nothing to do with B-Dec.

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