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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:11 am
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I agree. 8)

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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:31 am
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A slight change to the Super Bassman head, my Ampeg SVT-410HLF is back.

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:53 am
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Quick question. I'd know the answer if I had the cab specs, but I don't. So I'm just asking for some advice based on rough estimation.

Background. A side project I'm in has been booked down in NYC which is about 4 hours from me. This bar caters to everything from punk to metal to hardcore. The unit I'm in is a cross between horror-punk and psycho/rock-a-billy. Electric guitar and bass and a little overdrive on the guitar. Otherwise pretty standard rock-a-billy arrangements and we just favor minor keys instead of majors.

Issue: So the club has a partial backline. Kit, and bass and guitar cabs. The problem is that the bass cab is an 810. I have no idea which brand or model, but as it's usually a metal bar I'm going to assume Ampig or some cheaper knock off of an Ampig. To save on travel expenses if I can push the 810 with my 100T I only need to bring my head and bass. Which means our guitarist will just need his guitar and Blues Deluxe. Drummer his snare, cymbals, ect. That means one personal vehicle. No multiple vehicles or van rental, ect.

So, am I safe to try pushing the 810 with the 100T in 4ohm configuration? Or will it simply not have enough power to move that much air efficiently? Or should I look into renting a bigger head, or a larger vehicle to cart my 410 with me?

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:01 pm
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I'm totally guessing on this partner, but I would think the 100T would be close to, or doing ok with an 810 cab. An Ampeg SVT810E @ 4 ohms, works @ 100 - 130 dB's.
I myself would feel more comfortable with my SB head, but that's only because that's what I have. I prefer my SVT-410HLF over the SVT-810E. I just like the sound better out of the 410's. It also has a bit better frequency rating to it. The again, I'm not moving around a 410 to a gig that already has an 810 in place. :wink: Hell man, you're the one who gave me the good words to go with the SB. I do not even think twice about getting the SB, the best head I've had in 42 years.

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:32 am
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I would feel much more comfortable with the SB in this instance, aswell. The sound guy at the show works at the GC in NYC. Maybe I can have him "rent" me one just in case the 100T doesn't deal too well? I love both amps, but I am partial to the 100 for tone just because it sounds dead on to my old 74 Bassman. I think it should be okay, but you never know. I suppose I can always adjust the bias so the heads runs cold just to make sure I can get the most out of the 100 watts I'm pushing.

I have a bonus coming at the end of the year. A sizeable one, and also some other money that might be coming my way from a past job. I was originally planning on ordering a 51 Precision from the CS. However, after falling out with them on options and finding my CS 55 used at a really awesome price. I don't see a need to do that. Maybe I'll see if I can scoop up a blonde/oxblood SB, too. That way if I ever run into this situation again I'm always covered? There's no such thing as too prepared, right? :lol:

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:21 pm
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I looked up the 100T's manual and it recommends all Fender Bassman Pro enclosures. Including the 810. Now I seriously doubt this is the 810 at the club, but the Bassman 810 is fairly robust. So if the 100T comes with Fender's recommendation that it can push their 810. Then I think it should be okay. Though I may still get the SB in the new year. Because... why not?! 8)

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:15 pm
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Well, like I said, you sure didn't steer me wrong on the SB. It's a good Fender Powerhouse.
In this present instance with the 810, and your 100T, that sounds promising for the 100T. 8) And yeah, the SB would be nice to have. If I had the choice between the two for using on jobs, the SB would be the prime head, and the 100T would back it up. If you're only pushing the SB 1/3 of the push the 100T would be doing, the SB wouldn't be breathing hard at all. Tubes would last longer too. That's just me though.

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:12 pm
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I agree, and this gig on paper looks like a real good fit for this band. So it may happen again. I won't be getting the cash flow til February and the gig is in January. I may let the 100T see how she deals with it, but also talk to the Sound Engineer to see what he can do. However, I think if this gig goes really well and they might want us back, possibly on a regular basis that I may invest in the 300. Everyone in this band wants to play out of our home area and regularly travel. So having multiple tiers of heads that will work well with anything, but also with my 410 will give me everything I need at home on the road in the most portable package as possible. Glad you are happy with the SB. I really love the tone of the 100T and I knew going in that the sacrifice for that specific tone was the lack of power. To be fair, it's still plenty of power for around here. I just hadn't forseen the issue of travel and using such a monster as part of a backline. Most places you see a backline at it's fairly midrange gear. If you're lucky.

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:30 pm
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The SB is working out great for me. I only need one head, and there's enough power for the one 410 cab. 8)

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:48 pm
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One day, perhaps, an SB for me, or the 100. I have played through neither or heard them, so I can dwell in the ignorant bliss of my Rumble, for now, with no pretense of it having the same quality. I am just real glad about class D amplification and Fender's Dyna-comp 'secret sauce'.

KOP, I really enjoy your posts. Some good, thoughtful bass-speak.

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:07 pm
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I'm not sure if the SB would give me a good dirty tone at the smaller gigs I play most times, though. I don't want to have too much clean headroom in those situations. The majority of gigs I play the 100 is perfect for. Hmmm... maybe I should just bring the 410? The 100T certainly has enough power to keep up with the band. While the SB would give me the safety of pushing the 810 hard. In the end if I were to turn up to where I'd probably be happy with the tone I'd bury our guitarist.

Modwiz, thanks. I love this forum. We've got a really awesome pool of players here that contribute. It's a nice place to go where you can have a discussion with other players who have plenty of experience to get perspective from. People who you can work out real issues that we face out there with. Guys like Mr. Nylon, You, Dave, Linnin and the others make it the go to place for me to reach out to online.

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:45 am
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If an ampig v-4b can push an 810 cab, the Fender Bassman 100t will do so easily and sound better doing it. Since you are so used to the beautifully natural & open tone of your Bassman Pro 410 Neo cab, I'd bet you'll be super disappointed in anything less. The original ampig 810's were notorious for having very little bottom under 80 Hz along with farty low mids. The perfect match for the SVT's flabby rubber bottom and super muddy mids along with a lot of distortion (now called 'grind') Ah the ampig sound! Blech! :lol:

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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:52 am
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I'll take the SVT-410HLF over the SVT-810E anytime. I'm not impressed by SVT-810's. If I hadn't had the SVT-410HLF, I would have gone with the Fender Bassman Pro 410 Neo cab. One thing I do like about the SVT-410HLF cab, is the cab design to move air, and the ports are below the 410's, raising them up above the floor.

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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:24 pm
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linnin wrote:
If an ampig v-4b can push an 810 cab, the Fender Bassman 100t will do so easily and sound better doing it. Since you are so used to the beautifully natural & open tone of your Bassman Pro 410 Neo cab, I'd bet you'll be super disappointed in anything less. The original ampig 810's were notorious for having very little bottom under 80 Hz along with farty low mids. The perfect match for the SVT's flabby rubber bottom and super muddy mids along with a lot of distortion (now called 'grind') Ah the ampig sound! Blech! :lol:


I always thought the 100t would have no problem pushing the cab(s) but, never made it to a keyboard. :lol: Whether decibel levels will be adequate seems to be the main consideration. If it was 100 transistor watts, it would be a serious question. 100 watts of tubey goodness is another story.

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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:01 pm
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Personally i've always preferred 2 15's, but I do also like the sound of Fender tubes through a 410. However, and this is weird. I've never, ever met an 810 I've liked. Whether listening or playing through it. One would think it would be just "twice as much fun" as a 410, but it's not. The 410 is very focused, but full. Where as 2 15's gives you that wide fat sound. However, every 810 I've ever heard just seems to give you so much sound it points out the one downfall of the 10" speaker. Which is the lack of fatness. Where as the 410 gives you just enough focus, but doesn't over saturate the listener with the sound so it's still mellow and smooth. The 810 is very "look at me!!!" which seems to just hurt it.

I've really been loving the NEO 410. As much as I love the fatness of my old 2 15's. Since switching to the 100T with the 410 and using my AVS 57 with flats I have received NOTHING but constant praise on my playing and tone. At the last show my band played a local scene mover and shaker came up to compliment me and tell me that in his opinion as both a sound engineer and fan of music that he loved my work and that he thinks I may have found the perfect tone. That kind of blew me away. Though I always take things like that with a grain of salt.

Who knew 1950's instrument specs through an early 70's tube circuit was all it took? :wink:

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