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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:27 pm
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From what I've understood, they were probably one of the better amps to use back then, weren't they? I mean before all of the SVT monsters and that came out.

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:31 pm
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Sunn was an earlier amp starting to gain more bass amp power, just before Ampeg showed up in 1969. Kustom was getting into the scene about that time also. Acoustic just a little later.

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:20 am
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The whole reason Sunn was even started was to make a better bass amp. Conrad Sundholm's brother was the bassist for the Kingsmen, and needed a bigger amp to play concert halls, from what I've read about the biography.

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:34 am
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Right On! Then others saw, and heard the Sunn Amp, and wanted one. The birth of one of the finest amps ever made. They kicked the hell out of the Fender Bassman's at that time.

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:51 am
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Yeah, you're comparing 50 watts to 300, or at least before they came out with the 100 and 135 watt jobs. But then Fender did eventually catch up with amps with more power to them.

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:21 pm
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I can't believe that Fender didn't see the flow of the amps getting more powerful as they were. This wasn't an over night thing happening here. Not only that, but Fender was considerably larger than Sunn, and had greater manufacturing facilities, with a greater workforce to turn out more units faster. Fender just got caught sitting on their hands, thinking they were on top of the world.

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:12 am
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I think the problem is they seem to concentrate on guitar related stuff more. I mean it's not as bad as Gibson, whom bass seems to be a red headed step child, but I have noticed they've been late to the show, as it were. Before the second generation of Rumbles, they had those Bassman 250 watt and under amps (well, they did have that one head and combo that was 350 watt and went to 500 at 2 ohms, but it was pretty expensive) amps, when other companies were already putting out more powerful amps. I mean in the lower price points about that. They had the stuff that was rebadged Sunn amps (600, 1200 watts, etc.) but that was over the $1000 mark. I guess the Class D amps really made a lot of amps cheaper. Now the market seems to be over saturated with bass gear.

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:48 pm
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It's like everyone woke up to the reality that 6 stringers aren't the only market place out there. And true about Fender being slower, and not giving bass related products the market place they do for guitars. I agree also, no other company is as blatantly blind to basses, as gibson is.

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:40 am
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Yeah, although oddly enough, Gibson in the 70's was actually doing or attempting to do a lot of innovative things with the bass guitar. They put out different models like the Ripper and Grabber, and something that wasn't based just on the 50's or 60's designs. It may or may not have succeeded, but at least they tried to do something a little different, instead of putting out 9000 versions of a 1958 Les Paul. At least Fender tried different things like Modern Player and Pawn Shop Series. I thought that was pretty cool, and it's too bad it's all discontinued.

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:57 am
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I don't think either one of them really gave basses their fair share of their companies pies so to speak. They were hell bent on 6 stringers. Neither one thought to let them go on their own to see how they could blossom in time. There were problems with investments, and they needed to cut back. Basses were the prime target. Basses weren't as big in the market place at those times. There were two, maybe three guitars in a band, as compared to one bass. And some of those were sometimes still stand up basses. Basses just weren't that important.

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:20 pm
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Yeah, obviously that was the case, also considering how primitive bass amps were for many years, or how few there were any offered.

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:13 pm
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PaulLF wrote:
Yeah, obviously that was the case, also considering how primitive bass amps were for many years, or how few there were any offered.


The Acoustic 360/361 was one of the earliest modern Bass Amps of it's time.

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:20 am
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Oh yeah, that was one big one. Then they also made a bunch of other models that I really don't have a clue of their specs. I know Robby Krieger had the Model 271, or something like that, which I'm assuming was catered for guitars. They also had Acoustics for the keyboards, but I'm not sure if that was the same model, too. I remember seeing a few old Acoustics in guitar shops way back in the day. A combo and some sort of head and cab, but I don't think it was a 360/361. It was probably one of the later models from the 70's.

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:44 pm
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The Acoustic 260 was a guitar amp. 2X15, with a 14" horn. And when the doors played "When The Music's Over", that amp put out a sound that was incredible!

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Post subject: Re: NEW Bassman® PRO Series Heads and Cabinets
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:35 pm
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Interesting that it had a 2 x 15" speaker set up. Then again, 15"s were pretty common for guitar amps in the 60's, weren't they? The Kustoms used 15" with their guitar amp speakers, too. That's what John Fogerty used. He had a Kustom with a 2 x 15" cab. Now when he plays live, he has an Ampeg 2 x 15" cab loaded with guitar specific drivers to try to emulate his CCR sound when he does those songs.

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