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Post subject: b dec30 and the bronco40 serious questions
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:01 am
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ok i have recently did a lot of research on the fender amp lines for my local music store.

I am baffled by what fender has done recently with their amp lines.

G dec30 III awesome amps you couldn't ask for anything more for the price.
Mustang series of amps cool but just not what the g decs can do.
that being said the price also reflects the differences between the two.

now the part that makes me scratch my noggin

the b dec30 awesome bass amp but was not ungraded to interact with the fuse software like the g dec III series.

I ask why???????????????????????????
then fender discontinues the b dec 30 series.

again i ask why???????????????????????//

they then introduce the bronco 40 which is comparable with the mustang line.
and like the mustang line it does not offer the versatility the b dec30 would if it was upgraded to accept the fuse software.

I'm completely baffled by fenders decision to drop the b dec line and keep the g dec line going?

these amps are a revolutionary break trough, in every review i have seen was top notch.

what are the major differences between the dec series and mustang and bronco.
the backing track feature of the dec series with its on board memory and the sim card feature of the g dec 30 and the extra jacks two line outs and two line ins on the dec series. also the looping feature the dec series had with looping overlay awesome.
just those features alone put the g and b dec series ahead of the mustang and bronco.

the fuse software wow guys great stuff awesome interactive community loved it all.
only criticism i have was the ableton software hell was so graphically poor it reminded me of something from the early 90s im sure ableton and fender will fix that for sure.


here are some of the issues with these amps for sellers.
how can you showcase the fuse software without a computer to perspective customers?
your retailers really need to be trained in the software. this new technology is so advanced most customers let alone retailers do not have a clue.
I explained what i learned to 5 musicians i know in one week and 4 of them bought an one within the week the other is looking for a b dec30 as he is a bass player.

what i would liek to know because im personally looking for a bass amp.
is fender going to come out with a model like the b dec30 that interacts with the fuse software,
If not it would be a shame.
can someone in fender please answer this question and if not is it possible to interact the fuse software with the b dec amps?
also the big question on everyone mind is what kind of support will fender with these products over time?


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Post subject: Re: b dec30 and the bronco40 serious questions
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:58 pm
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Hey muskokamillwright,

That's a pretty long post. What I can say is that we are dedicated to supporting these products for the long haul. We've invested heavily in the Fender FUSE software. I'm sure you'll see more Fender FUSE compatible products in the future.

As for the B-Dec, you'll notice that the Bronco 40 along with Fender FUSE offers identical functionality. You can play back band tracks with in Fender FUSE while playing along to them. You get the added benefit of being able to use Fender FUSE to tweak your Bronco 40 presets in the same way that G-DEC 3 and Mustang users have been able to.

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Post subject: Re: b dec30 and the bronco40 serious questions
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:58 pm
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sorry Loren i didnt see this reply before i reposted in the bronco thread.

here were some of the major differences between the g dec III and the mustangs i did notice as i tested out both systems.

first the g dec III series has sim card capability which is awesome (you can take pre recorded sets on different cards which negates the need to carry a computer around with you going on the road its nice to carry as little as possible)


The g dec III series as did the b dec has a lot more ports 2 out puts in the back a guitar in on the back a foot pedal input input on the front etc.
this was great plug in mic/guitar/foot pedal and most of all line out to a pa system or speakers making the amp itself the monitor (the b dec cabinet was designed with this concept in mind awesome) i say wow versatility.
The mustang and from what i have seen bronco series fall short in this area why the change?

The foot pedals a single button pedal for the mustang and broncos in comparison to the two and four switch pedals of the g and b dec series.
again i ask why the step backwards?

here are the big differences.

the backing track feature Loren really there is no comparison.

the g and b dec series the backing tracks played over the amp so the tracks and your guitars were volume controlled together on the amp.
After talking to your customer support reps on the phone it was soon apparent of the issue with the mustang and the bronco series with backing tracks.
Most guys will need to lug their computer or lap top along places to use the backing tracks and lets face the fact here a lap tops sound card can not hardly push out the sound to even come close to the power of a 30 watt amp nowhere near.
customer support said well you can plug into the inputs with your laptop to play the sound over your amp.
lets face this fact that idea was a after though and inst a very practical method.
The on board memory of the g and b dec were amazing in this area.
once again i ask why the step back here?

The looping capabilities of the g and b dec series are now virtually impossible as far as i can see with the mustang and bronco series. the loop overdubbing was unreal damned dude some of the instructional videos i seen on this feature blew me and everyone i have shown this away.
without the on board memory of the b and g dec series i do not see how this option is viable with the mustang and bronco series amps.

again i ask why the step back.

The question that i still have to ask why did you drop the b dec series all together?
Why was the b dec not made in a model compatible like the g decIII series with the fuse software?
Is there future plans to introduce a b decIII series or something similar?
Please tell me yes i as a bass player feel ripped off here.
Loren could fender retro a b dec30 for me with the g decIII features hell i will pay no problem i love the amp that much.

Fender broke huge ground with the b and g dec amps it was one of the biggest advancements made in the music industry in years if not ever.

My retailer tells me the market sales were not all that great but i chalk that up to marketing the retailers struggled to understand the products abilities let alone to showcase the product and to explain a computer interface to a prospective customer is to say the least a daunting task.

I see the mustang and bronco amps as a great addition to the player who is a accomplished artist and their primary goal of this amp series is compositions and the price of the mustang and bronco amps reflects that market.

however the g decIII series is just all that much more and of course the slightly higher price tag reflects that as well it is a amp for players of every level.

Hell Loren if fender comes out with the B decIII series i will gladly go on the road and pump this product and im sure i will make it a industry success story. the damned things sell like crazy once the guys understand.
trust me when i say that i have already had over ten people i know buy the g decIII and i live in a very small community.

Final note Loren please oh please can something be done with the ableton graphic interface hell it reminds me of something from the mid 80s great program terrible graphic interface.

I personally are looking to buy a bass amp but the bronco dosnt fill my needs like a b decIII would.

Thanks Loren for reading this long post but i really am at a loss for answears to the questions i have.


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Post subject: Re: b dec30 and the bronco40 serious questions
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:48 am
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i have been waiting for well over a week for answers to what i have posted.
i sure hope this is not a indication of how fenders customer service dept works.
my retailer hasn't even received a bronco amp yet and says fender sometimes releases a product line in advance well before its available.
i am quickly losing confidence here.

can someone please answer the questions?


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Post subject: Re: b dec30 and the bronco40 serious questions
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:52 am
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Hey muskokamillwright,

I guess I"m not exactly sure of what you're asking. The Bronco is not a B-DEC so it's natural that it wouldn't have exactly the same features. I can understand if you feel the Bronco isn't as full featured as the B-DEC. Perhaps we may revive that line in the future. Either way, it doesn't really sound like the Bronco is the amp for you.

Regarding the Ableton Live interface, that would, of course, be Ableton's responsibility. I'm sure they'd be pleased to hear your feedback. support@ableton.com

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Post subject: Re: b dec30 and the bronco40 serious questions
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:49 am
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thanks Loren that is what i wanted to heat.
I do believe your right the Bronco is not the amp for me if fender is going to come out with a up dated b-DEC model.
However if there is no plan to reintroduce then there is no choice.


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Post subject: Re: b dec30 and the bronco40 serious questions
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:56 am
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Loren what i find disturbing is no one else has a opinion on this topic.
Either folks don't know the difference or just don't care.
do you have any ideas?


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Post subject: Re: b dec30 and the bronco40 serious questions
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:01 pm
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i decided to go with marshall.


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