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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:52 am
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Hoping someone can help me with some advice. I'm currently using a Fender Bassman 300 pro (all tubes). It's time for me to get a new cab and it seems as though the smallest pro cab Fender is offering right now is the 6x10s. That just wouldn't work for me. The manual says its matched perfectly for the Fender 410h, but that appears to be discontinued. So basically i need a cab that can handle the head. I see they do offer a lower end 410 cab, but it seems a waste to use such a nice head on a lower end cab. I'd love for it to be Fender, but I'm open to other options.


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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:29 pm
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Hi Adaire,

First off, congrats on that head. It is probably the best tube amp Fender ever put their badge onto and is a contender for the best bass amp in the world. Simply a beast.

I agree that the PRO cabs are all huge. I have to haul my own gear in my car so they would not work for me either. The regular Bassman series would work ok though. I like combining 2 cabs. One in the back seat and one in the trunk. I like 15's and I like 10's. Something like the Bassman 1x15 and the Bassman 4x10 combo would be awesome.

Most of your mainline maker cabs have the disadvantages of moderate power handling while being very heavy to move. There are all sorts of very expensive high power boutique cabs out there that overcome both issues.

Then there are two highly rated custom cab shops that are actually affordable that I can highly recommend. They make compact high power capacity cabs that are lighter than most mainline cabs yet are very affordable. I list them in the second link on the resources page in my forum signature below. Either would be a good choice if you need high power handling in a durable, lightweight and compact cab. The disadvantage is that you can not walk into the neighborhood Guitar Center and try one out. But either company suits me fine.


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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:13 pm
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Thank for the information Dave, but I can't find the links you were talking about. I really prefer the sound of 410s so that's what I'm really looking for. Have you ever used the Fender Bassman 410? I saw it listed and that's what others have suggested, but it seems like a cheaper cab. I've never been disappointed in a Fender product and I do like to have matching brands on the amp and cabs (although I use Modulus basses). So confused!

Thanks again,
Dustin


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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:33 pm
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There's always the option of purchasing a used cab. Aside from checking out the local music shops, Ebay very often has the 410 "Pro" listed for sale.


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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:19 pm
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I've never used the Fender Bassman 410 cab currently in production. But the Bassman series is a quality line, it just is not in the Pro series. I once used the 8x10 Pro cab with the 300 Pro head like yours provided at a gig and I felt like it was one of the best rigs I’ve used. I never got close to half volume on it. But the Pro series is for someone younger and stronger than me or for someone who has an equipment truck and roadies to move it all for them.

Frankly, I can’t handle moving anything as big as a 4x10 and will stick to 1x15 + 2x10 stacks for bigger gigs. I’m not playing stadiums and there is no need in killing myself.

Try one of the Bassman 4x10's at a Fender dealer. Compare to other brands. That head of yours should match up with that cab pretty well power wise. Your head delivers all 300 watts into about any load from 2 to 8 ohms, so the fact this is an 8 ohm cab would matter more to a transistor amp that needs a 4 ohm load to deliver full power. In that case you’d need two of those Bassman cabs to get to four ohms. You should get by ok with one.

The custom cabs I use and recommend as an alternative are lighter but have much higher power capacity than any mainline cabs. Lighter weight is important to me because I am old. I have to unload my gear when I get home all by myself usually. Carrying a 70 plus pound 4x10 up the nine front steps at my house all by myself at 2 AM would not be fun at all and is an accident waiting to happen.

Click the link in my forum signature below taking you to http://www.brotherdave.com/resources.htm . Then on the page which opens up click on the second red-colored link from the top that says, “CUSTOM BASS SPEAKER CABINETS.” When that page loads, click on the NAME of the cabs. (The names are Dr. Bass and Avatar.) These two cab makers only do cabs. Dr. Bass only does bass cabs and actually conceived the first compact light high power capacity bass cab and continues to innovate with their slant top cabs. Their “airhead” option lets you mount a rack head and rack tuner right in the speaker cab. Michael Tobias uses Dr. Bass cabs and so do many players here in the Carolinas where Dr. Bass cabs are made to order one at a time. They will ship them anywhere though. Avatar is the best bang for the buck bass cab I’ve ever used. I would never hesitate to buy cabs from either of these places again sight unseen. Dr. Bass does have a few advantages over Avatar such as still making a 1x15, putting 2 Speak-On jacks on the jack plate and offering a wide variety of speaker brands as an upgrade.


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:wink: i use a fender 4-10+115-with a bassman 250 head and a samson c valve pe-amp it's realy clean, punchy sound,a good combination.


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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:21 am
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jeepster wrote:
:wink: i use a fender 4-10+115-with a bassman 250 head and a samson c valve pe-amp it's realy clean, punchy sound,a good combination.


I agree Jeepster. Any combo of 10's on top with a 15 on the bottom sounds ideal to me. The 10's are the drive...and the 15 gives you a great low down sound than just the 10's alone. This appears to be especially true indoors. Outdoors I wonder if I wouldn't be better off with two ten inch cabs and just skip the 1x15.


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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:53 am
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:) brother dave. i've done two outdoor concerts with this set up. ive had this set up for 2 yrs. now and played everything from coffee shops to big halls. like i said i use this in conjuction with a c-valve pre amp. indoors and out. with the 250 head and the c-valve whitch together gives you a ton of options two get the sound your looking for. i also use a 66 jazz. if youv'e ever played one you know the tonal options with it. it dose not quite have the bottom of a pre, but with this setup you can get the jazz down to that bottom level and it stays very clean. iv'e pared the 4-10 with a 2-ten. and found for me i needed the 15 for a good foundation. plus don't forget with most cabs you have a tunable horn to play with too! i even tried an 18 under the 4-10's for me it was to much.


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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:28 pm
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I have a Bassman 300 Pro that I bought on Ebay with a 810 cab. I had a friend pick it up for me in Wisconsin when he drove though. I don't think he knew what he was getting into!

I love the Bassman 300. It really is an amazing sounding amp. I love the way the audience can see the tubes glowing. I usually get a couple of people coming up at breaks wanting to see the "Tubes"

I only gigged with the 810 cab once because of its weight and size. It sounded very good, but its just too big. It produced a big sound that was very warm. Its great for rock and blues. I also played with Fender 210 & 115 cabinets for a couple of years and these sounded pretty good for rock and blues as well.

HOWEVER... I recently found the original (Sunn) matching 215 cabinet. I am extremely impressed with the sound! Its very musical. The speakers have a very large cone section that really allows the bass to sing. The guitarist in the band plays a 1961 Fender Jazzmaster, 1958 Gibson Falcon and a 1963 Fender Showman amp. He's a real tone nut. He's played with literally dozens and dozens of bass players and he's told me that the combination of the Bassman 300 Pro and the 215 cabinet is about the best that he's ever heard.

It took me quite a long time to find the 215, but it is absolutely worth the extra effort.


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