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Post subject: Re: Hartke HD150
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:15 pm
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I get the feeling that Sam Ash is probably the best store to deal with, in general, especially in your area, and what you've told me. We've gotten pretty good service at one, as well, but that's in New York, so it's been a long time. I usually try to deal with AMS, but they do have good service, and they are fast with shipping. Plus, you can call them anytime, more or less.

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Post subject: Re: Hartke HD75
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:04 pm
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Locally SA works outlook with me. SA online ok also. But online I have had a lot of purchases with SW. Especially with some of the higher priced gear, where the sales tax would be a lot to pay out in addition to the cost of the item. And basses were usually shown well in the Guitar Gallery to pick from, or at least to see the one in stock.

With the combination of the Jazz, and the Hartke, I spent a few minutes resetting the amp's EQ. The EQ on the Hartke is nice. At a lower volume, and a bit of more low mids, and more high mids, you would swear this Jazz $1,600. - $2,000. MIA Jazz! No Smokin' & Jokin' about it! A beautiful clean tone. I honestly have heard 410 cabs not sound as fine as this HD115 is.

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Post subject: Re: Hartke HD150
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:56 pm
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Yeah, Sam Ash is usually a decent shop to work with, but unfortunately too far from here to do any business.

You know, you got me thinking about something the other day, with your set up, and past discussions with different cabs and amps combinations, how certain things will work with other things, and all of that. I realized something that when I was using a Jazz as a main instrument, I was play it through one or two 15" speakers, and really dug that combination, but playing a Jazz with 10"s, it doesn't tweak me as much as a P Bass would through 10"s. I think there might be something with those combinations, the Jazz with 15"s and Precision with 10"s.

Maybe it has to do with the different type of pickups they have. To me, Precision pickups have a certain darker (if that's the right word) undertone to them, and Jazzes have a more midrangey, almost hollow one, which really blends well with the certain types of speakers like I've mentioned. Of course, there's a million variables involved, with amps, and all of that which also factor in. You think there is something with that, or I'm just talking out my arse? I have noticed that when you've had Jazz Basses, you've often gone with a 15" speaker and liked it a lot. I imagine with the HyDrive even more so.

I have to say, I do like the sound of that new Player Series. That's what I'd like to try to go for, if I can. If not, the Squier would work. They are actually really decent basses, especially for the money, and I suppose if I had to, I could try to add some modifications, although I doubt I'd need to. Still, if I had a choice, it would definitely be that Precision with the maple board. I don't think I'd need anything more expensive than that, like you've said. With what the US made ones cost, around $1500 to $2000, or whatever, I could practically get both a Precision and Jazz Player Series and be totally squared away. The basses they have cheaper than that are MIM, so what's really the point of paying more for something made in the same factory, with probably some more bells and whistles? The main thing is if the pickups sound good, and it has a good feel to it, then it's fine. It does the job. 8)

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Post subject: Re: Hartke HD75
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:13 am
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One reason I am so up on the Player Series Basses, Jazz, or Precision, the Alnico 5 pups, and it's basically an Am. Std. for a lot less cash. The sales manager was able to drop the Player Buttercream down to $629.99, from $674.99. In my area the 7% sales tax on the $629.99, brought it to $674.09 out the door.

I know they run more than the Squier do, but just the cost of the upgrades of the pups, and possibly the pots, on either Jazz, or Precision could put you close to the Player Series. I know I almost went for a Player Precision, but the neck wasn't that great of a feel for me, and at least with the amps I used when I had Alnico 5 pups Precisions, sounded to me to have a bit less lower, deeper bass tone, and more of a growl, bite, and mid tone bite to it. I kinda' prefer a deeper mellow bass tone from the jazz. The room shakes more, but it comes with the tones I like. I've always thought that the growl, and a bit of a Trebly bite tone is what makes the Precision cut through the mix, not as much deep thump. A growl, more than a deep thump.

But that's just me. I have a tendency to think off of the wall compared to most. Felix said that to me one time in talk we had here at the house.

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Post subject: Re: Hartke HD150
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:45 pm
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That's pretty good that you were able to get a deal like that, so it was tax free. As for the Squier pickups, they are Alnico, as well, according to the specs, but they refer to them as "Fender designed." The pickups on my old Squier were actually really good, so these are probably just as, or maybe even better, since they did revamp the line again. I think if I really had to modify anything, it might be the bridge, but it probably wouldn't be necessary. I do have a Bass A s s II bridge on the Squier Jazz, but that's because I swapped it out from when it was on the Peavey. It wasn't working out to well on that bass, for some reason. Still, I'm hoping I can get the Player Series, but if not, it's still good. The main thing that's appealing about that series, besides the finish, sound, and all of that, is the maple fretboard. That's something I'd really like to get, if possible.

You know, that's the one thing I'm not as crazy about is the neck width of the Precision, compared to the Jazz, but I can handle it. I've tried Precisions with Jazz necks on them, but for some reason, they don't sound the same to me, otherwise I'd just go there. I used to play Precisions for years fine, I just have to condition myself to play on that neck again. I had to condition myself to play the violin bass, that was weird, because the real estate was a lot more compacted together. I'd just play it exclusively for a day or two, and I'll adjust.

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Post subject: Re: Hartke HD75
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:22 pm
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I did still pay the 7% sales tax. The $629.99 price had the sales tax on it, in place of the original $674.99, plus tax. I actually paid $674.09 total. .90 Less that the original price of the Jazz before tax.

Maple boards are my favorites. In a way, I'm somewhat glad I have the Player Jazz, over the AC Jazz. I like the Maple board, in place of the Rosewood on the AC Jazz. I didn't realize it at the time. but there was another way I could have held on to the AC Jazz, and got the Hartke. Oh well, I'm not complaining about that. The Buttercream / Maple Jazz is Fine, and Devine! Plus it has the Alnico 5's, where the AC has the CS60's.

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Post subject: Re: Hartke HD150
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:54 pm
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You know, another reason I'd like the maple board, is the fact it doesn't seem to shrink with the cold and dry weather we get here, and I probably won't have to do any fret end filing. That was a problem with rosewood around here. Although, I don't know if that's going to be a problem with the new materials, or not. I've not had any issue with my Ibanez, but that's made with a Jatoba board. The new Squiers have an Indian Laurel board, and the Fender Player Series has the Pau Ferro boards. Of course, the Player Series wouldn't matter to me, because that's where they have the maple in the first place. I really don't know how those woods react to climate, other than my Ibanez. Then again, I do have a couple basses that have rosewood, and I never had to file the ends, but I think the fret work done on them was probably a lot better done in the first place. Those are the Ibanez CT bass, and the Fender Precision Bass Lyte.

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Post subject: Re: Hartke HD75
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:45 am
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I've always preferred Maple over Rosewood. The Maple is usually coated, and that somewhat treats it, and protects it from dirt, oils, and weather conditions. A Maple board has never cracked on any I've had. But then again, I don't deal with changing weather conditions in my place. With it most times of the year being hot, and humid, the A/C is on 24/7/365.

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Post subject: Re: Hartke HD150
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:18 pm
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Yeah, I remember the only issue I ever had in Florida, was an input jack corroding from sweat. I never had any issue with shrinking fret boards and fret ends poking out. I've never had a bass with that issue back then, but of course the climate doesn't do that down there, and I've always tried out basses back then before I bought them, because I actually used to go into the shops. No internet back then for that sort of thing. I suppose that's probably why there was the shops to go into in the first place. :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Hartke HD75
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:28 pm
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Yeah, things have really changed in some what a short time. Oh well.

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Post subject: Re: Hartke HD150
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:38 pm
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Yeah, I suppose that can either be a good thing, or bad thing, depending on what it is.

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Post subject: Re: Hartke HD75
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:25 pm
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Amazing how fast some of the smaller music shops folded. They must have been the ones in more serious financial troubles. Or the owners saw the up coming changes in the music business.

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Post subject: Re: Hartke HD150
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:33 am
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It could have been either one, or both of them. I imagine running a music shop isn't all peachy keen, and the ideal job related to being in the music business. Sure, it's probably better than flipping burgers, but there's a lot of crap to deal with, just being in a retail environment to begin with.

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Post subject: Re: Hartke HD75
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:32 pm
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Retail is a world all its own. Small gun shops were somewhat in the same position as small music shops. If you didn't or don't have a range, it's a tougher business to be in.

I did a slight setting on the EQ today. I know other combos have their own version of EQ's, but the Hartke slide EQ is worth having on any amp. This locked up this HD150 for me for a long time. Incredible, It may just be the best sounding amp I have for playing in here. I know what it sounds like at higher volumes in here, but toned down a bit, and the EQ settings is tops. For myself, the Hartke is very under rated. It's definitely at a higher plateau for my
respect. I liked it on the 5500 head I had for a short time. Come to think of it, that was a SS head I should have hung on too. Me, and those damn tube amps got me to dump some nice SS heads.

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Post subject: Re: Hartke HD150
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:43 pm
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I imagine gun shops have to deal with a lot of ATF regulations and all of that, as well. Especially, if they are in a blue state, like Massachusetts, where there are stricter laws, and all of that.

I will say, even that little Hartke practice amp that I had, did have some decent EQ settings on it, or at least it didn't sound bad, at all. That wasn't the issue with the amp, I can say that, at least. The HA5500 seemed like a really nice amp, and it did have a tube preamp channel to it, besides the solid state, and you could blend the two. I never got a chance to play through one, but I did with the HA3500, and a HA7000, which were the same amps with the preamps and EQs, just different power ratings. They still make the HA3500, and the HA2500 heads, though. What do you think of the LH500 or LH1000 amps? They have that stacked EQ on those, which you have to set a certain way for it to be flat, but I've heard they were decent amps, too. They are about the only ones still around that aren't Class D, now a days.

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