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Post subject: Holy Recycled Organic Material... !!
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:30 pm
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On Netflix right now: The Wrecking Crew

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A documentary about the greatest session musicians in the World !!

You thought you knew a lot about the music of the '60s and '70s... ??

Guess again !!

More often then you'd think, the music of your favorite band coming through the radio, 8-track or cassette wasn't coming from them at all, rather, it came from the hands of these talented musicians !

The Beach Boys 'Pet Sounds', a seminal album, one which the Beatles attempted to better with their Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album, was actually recorded by the Wrecking Crew !

While Dennis and Carl Wilson, their cousin Mike Love, and their friend Al Jardine were sunning and chasing chicks at Malibu Beach, Brian Wilson and the Wrecking Crew, including Tommy Tedesco and Glen Campbell, were in the studio laying down the tracks !

And, that's only the beginning.

This film is an absolute MUST SEE for anyone who studies this music, or even enjoyed it at the time.

Guaranteed to be 2 of the best hours you've ever spent on this Blue Rock !!

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And what about The Monkees ! :lol:

Thank's , but where can we see this ?


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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:52 am
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stratele52 wrote:
And what about The Monkees ! :lol:

Thank's , but where can we see this ?


The Wrecking Crew did ALL the recording sessions for the Monkees !!

In fact, they tell the story of the Monkees in studio miming their instruments for the Press while the Wrecking Crew, in the studio next door, was laying down the actual tracks and piping the music over to the studio the Monkees were occupying !

They also did the sessions for the Byrds, w/ the exception of Roger McGiunn, who had been a sessions player in NYC. David Crosby, later of Crosby, Stills & Nash, vehemently opposed bringing in the Wrecking Crew, but was told by both Roger, and the studio label to: "Get over it..."

Most of these Rock & Roll bands were in fact very poor musicians. They could do Live Tours because the Albums/Singles were already Hits. Plus, the Sound systems of the day distorted much of their sound anyway and people didn't have the two performances side-by-side for comparison. If it sounded a little off, the fans just explained it away as the difference between Sudio and Live performances.

For the Labels and Producers, the Wrecking Crew could come into the studio and bang it out in 1-3 takes, while the Band itself might take as many as 80 takes to get recording quality material laid down. Time was Money, and studios cost a lot on a per-hour basis.

For example, Capitol Records had Frank Sinatra under contract for much of his peak years. Frank insisted on having Les Brown & his Band of Renown backing him up. Often, the released version took 75+, and in some instances 100, takes to get it right. In the end, Capitol released Sinatra (can you imagine...???) because the studio costs ate too far into the profits. After Capitol, Frank switched to the Wrecking Crew to back him up.

In the movie, Hal Blain tells of a story when they went to Disney to do the soundtrack of a movie. The guys at Disney told them that their music was right in front of them and they would do a half-speed run-through on the film to familiarize them w/ the assignment. 8 Bars in, the Wrecking Crew took over and played it perfectly, so much so that the Disney executive remarked that they "Should have run the tape... How did you guys pick it up so fast?" Tommy Tedesco replied: "We practice every afternoon... !!"

There was truth in this because a typical day might be to arrive at Capitol at 9am and do rhythm & blues for say Sam Cooke, shoot across town at noon to Atlantic records to do Rock & Roll for the Byrds, head up to Elektra @ 3pm to do Pop for Sonny and Cher, sit-in at a club 'til 9pm doing Jazz and finish w/ a midnite session w/ Brian Wilson @ Western Studios. And, this was 5 days a week !

But, you really need to see the film to absorb it all. It's available on Netflix, but there are other sites which carry it as well.

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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:03 am
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About The Monkees I know :lol:


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Lightnin MN wrote:
They also did the sessions for the Byrds, w/ the exception of Roger McGiunn, who had been a sessions player in NYC. David Crosby, later of Crosby, Stills & Nash, vehemently opposed bringing in the Wrecking Crew, but was told by both Roger, and the studio label to: "Get over it..."


Having seen The Byrds live at the Monterey Pop Festival in 1967 I can unequivocally state that there was nothing lacking about the musical prowess of all the band members. No lip-syncing, no auto-tune, no do-overs, just great music performed by real pros.

I'm sure that bringing The Wrecking Crew in to lay down some studio tracks probably helped to maintain Columbia's production schedule but each of the band members were accomplished musicians in their own right and they wrote and arranged their own material.

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Retroverbial wrote:
Lightnin MN wrote:


I'm sure that bringing The Wrecking Crew in to lay down some studio tracks probably helped to maintain Columbia's production schedule but each of the band members were accomplished musicians in their own right and they wrote and arranged their own material.

Arjay


I agree ,that's I undersand as I read many thing about the use of wrecking crew

No gear to install for each band , faster recoding with less ( no ? ) error at first take .
Music may be more "thight " and fautless than many band can do .
On live show we don't ear if it is not perfect.

Don't we talk about Wreckin Crew few years ago in this forum ?


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Post subject: Re: Holy Recycled Organic Material... !!
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Thanks Lightnin MN, I will check that out for sure.

Another good doc on studio musicians is "Standing in the Shadows of Motown". I grew up in Detroit in the late 60's and early 70's, so it was special to me. I love hearing the stories those guy can tell!!! :)

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I saw this a few months back on axs tv. definitely worth it.

a little while ago I heard a radio interview with some of the members. they were discussing the byrds sessions. apparently the byrds were having difficulty with their first recording, so the crew was put into action. they mentioned that the band was not thrilled with it.

they then said during the next recording it took a very long time for the byrds to get it right (70 takes?). don't know if they were just trying to get it perfect or what, but just goes to show that talent of these musicians.


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Retroverbial wrote:
Lightnin MN wrote:
They also did the sessions for the Byrds, w/ the exception of Roger McGiunn, who had been a sessions player in NYC. David Crosby, later of Crosby, Stills & Nash, vehemently opposed bringing in the Wrecking Crew, but was told by both Roger, and the studio label to: "Get over it..."


Having seen The Byrds live at the Monterey Pop Festival in 1967 I can unequivocally state that there was nothing lacking about the musical prowess of all the band members. No lip-syncing, no auto-tune, no do-overs, just great music performed by real pros.

I'm sure that bringing The Wrecking Crew in to lay down some studio tracks probably helped to maintain Columbia's production schedule but each of the band members were accomplished musicians in their own right and they wrote and arranged their own material.

Arjay


I also saw the Byrds in '67 and thought they were great too !

But you must admit that there's a difference between what you can do in a one-time performance for a Live audience and a recording which can be replayed thousands of times.

For the latter, perfection (or as close to it as you can get) is necessary, not as much for the former.

But, this wasn't something stated by some narrator, or even a member of the Wrecking Crew. Watch the film and see Roger McGuinn himself make the statement !

Is it true? Unequivocally, I don't know for sure... I wasn't there... and... neither were you :wink:

But it's pretty powerful testament when you see/hear it straight from Roger McGuinn's own mouth.

But, if that's your take on my OP, you may have missed the point.

These guys were a significant force in the history of Pop, R&B, Rock and such... much more so than most of us realize, and this film documenting their contributions to the music of the era will likely benefit those who see it.

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omar59 wrote:
Thanks Lightnin MN, I will check that out for sure.

Another good doc on studio musicians is "Standing in the Shadows of Motown". I grew up in Detroit in the late 60's and early 70's, so it was special to me. I love hearing the stories those guy can tell!!! :)

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I've seen it and agree... well worth seeing !

There's quite a bit of Tongue in Cheek when they spoke about Berry Gordy and Smokey Robinson. Gordy founded Motown and Robinson became a partner and Exec. VP.

Many of the artists interviewed left the impression that these guys were serious task-masters and not all that generous in distributing royalties, though they both seemed to do pretty well for themselves.

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Lightnin MN wrote:

I also saw the Byrds in '67 and thought they were great too !




I saw them one more time three years later, on Tues. May,19 1970, when they performed at my high school for a Free School Dance !!

I had actually graduated the year before, but my girlfriend was a year younger than me and attended our sister school, so I went with her.

The Minnesota Dairy Promotion Council had a contest between all the area high schools to see which school could collect and send in the greatest number of sides from Milk Cartons.

First prize was a Free live performance at your school by the Byrds. You can find this concert mentioned in the Byrd's Concert Chronology

My old school won and the Byrds played on the Gym Stage to an audience of maybe 500 or so people from 7:30pm to midnight - great show !!.

One of the underclassmen's father was Senior VP at Kemps Dairy, a large regional dairy.

A nasty rumor started that alleged this underclassman managed to procure entire rolls of uncut milk cartons through his father.

This rumor was never substantiated, but we did beat the next closest school by about 10,000 milk cartons, yet had 2.000 fewer students which seems a little suspicious... you decide. :roll: :roll:

But can some of you younger guys even imagine a group of this stature playing such a gig?

I'm sure that their label or the Dairy Council paid their going rate, but still. Strange as it sounds, it really wasn't.

I lived across the street from a small private college. In my junior year in high school, they had Joe Cocker and the Grease Band perform for free in their football stadium during Freshman Orientation Week.

My buddies and I didn't have the required Student ID for admittance, but we'd spent years playing all over that stadium. We knew exactly where the fence could be breached, so we crawled under, climbed into the stands and enjoyed the show ! :mrgreen:

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Lightnin MN wrote:
But, if that's your take on my OP, you may have missed the point.


I didn't miss your point nor am I disputing it.

All I'm saying is that there's a helluva lot of difference between a bunch of amateurs forcibly coalesced into becoming a TV "rock band" and The Byrds.

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Retroverbial wrote:
Lightnin MN wrote:
But, if that's your take on my OP, you may have missed the point.


I didn't miss your point nor am I disputing it.

All I'm saying is that there's a helluva lot of difference between a bunch of amateurs forcibly coalesced into becoming a TV "rock band" and The Byrds.

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No argument from me... :D

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omar59 wrote:
Thanks Lightnin MN, I will check that out for sure.

Another good doc on studio musicians is "Standing in the Shadows of Motown". I grew up in Detroit in the late 60's and early 70's, so it was special to me. I love hearing the stories those guy can tell!!! :)

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Saw both and they were definitely NOT a wast of time
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omar59 wrote:
Thanks Lightnin MN, I will check that out for sure.

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