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Without knowing the back room dialogue prior to the SUNN decision I abstain. It might have been mutually beneficial. I can’t say. These things happen. In business decisions aren’t always right, but indecision definitely isn’t a good thing. Fender does give us this, however.

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I'm glad they at least sold Guild to the Cordoba guitar company, and they moved shop to California, with the exception of the import models. Guild usually makes good stuff, and at least they didn't get canned. Still, it's kind of strange that a brand that was famous as Sunn was, should be left to the wayside, but then again, there are so many brands out now, that it might not do as well, since it's not exactly the same situation as it was in the late 60's, even though that still has an influence.

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I certainly agree about keeping Guild around. It’s an American tradition, albeit smaller today, so good for Fender on that account. Fender had Sunn involved in building some Fender amps such as Princeton, and perhaps that marriage wasn’t a good one.

I believe you are right Paul about so many brands. Add offshore and technology changes, dealing with EDM and rap, gaming and other trends. It’s a different ballgame than the 60s for sure. Some just want to push a button, and others can only push a button. Interesting times. :roll:
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I have to say, it's not all push button computer programs for music. I've noticed a lot of younger people still playing instruments and doing that. I do try to keep up with new acts, and even some pop music isn't that bad. Sometimes, it requires some open mindedness and patience.

I know it's easy to fall into the trap that you gravitate only to what had an impact on you during your formative years (late teens/early 20's,) and think everything after that is garbage, but really that's a bad mindset, because that can lead to stagnation, and you wind up missing out on a lot on life. It's also good to keep the younger generations involved or interested with things that inspired you at their age, because then it keeps it going, and then they add their own take on it, then that creates something else, and keeps it all going.

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It's interesting about the button pushing thing. Over the past few months I've been listening to a lot of Flying Lotus and hearing actual Fender Rhodes and live bass. Thundercat who plays bass on a lot of that is a monster not just on bass but vocals too. Herbie Hancock is showing up on quite a bit of it.

Then there's this:



Then again maybe it's the vintage vibe I dig.

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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:22 pm
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I have to say, it's not all push button computer programs for music. I've noticed a lot of younger people still playing instruments and doing that. I do try to keep up with new acts, and even some pop music isn't that bad. Sometimes, it requires some open mindedness and patience.

I know it's easy to fall into the trap that you gravitate only to what had an impact on you during your formative years (late teens/early 20's,) and think everything after that is garbage, but really that's a bad mindset, because that can lead to stagnation, and you wind up missing out on a lot on life. It's also good to keep the younger generations involved or interested with things that inspired you at their age, because then it keeps it going, and then they add their own take on it, then that creates something else, and keeps it all going.
You make valid points, Paul. But, I do think you cut the older generation short. Although, I agree with you that many, as in the past, are stubborn and missing out.

The older generation were presented with a wide gamut of music that was adopted and invented from which to gather their taste of music. In a few short years there was a renaissance of music that has yet to be challenged or equalled, both with technology, and presentation. Much of that forwarded today is the result of that from yesterday.

My guess is that a large number of youth today are less inclined to taste a full plate of music. Do they need to? Not really. One day I was working in my 40s when I had live opera from The Met on my expensive tuner. I could hear the depth and width of the stage performers. Amazing! That day I got hooked onto something my grandfather had known many years before me. The youth has this type of opportunity too and often takes it on. Look around at the turntables, cassettes, and thrift stores.

Everyone doesn't like or get the same art; but, it also means that there is less chance of the new blending with the old, and thus less acceptance across the board. I think it has more to do with separation of the ages based on “I don’t need to analyze whether it’s good or bad . It’s my generation’s thing so it must be good”. IMHO. Nothing new. The early 70s was flooded with many garbage bands and recordings and that was recalled by the industry. Digital recordings good or bad aren’t going anywhere. That’s an unfortunate thing because there remains a lot of bad or mediocre recordings that resurface from time to time without an end to it. Live music genre also reflects that.

There was a time YOU HAD TO BE GOOD (or connected) to be promoted and to draw a crowd or you didn’t get the Motorhome and entourage. No problem. Put it on the Net, build a following, get the tour. Wait a minute! There wasn’t a Net back then. Your music and performance had to test in front of a live audience. If they clicked you off you’d feel it, and only the strong and good survived. No second chance once you’re gone. Forget live lip sync. That was for Bandstand, because you might not have practiced for the music video experience. You aren’t going to squeak by with a social media celebrity status either. You only get to be a celebrity by paying your dues. There’s the difference.

My career with music and musicians speaks for itself, but first a look at my father who was born in the twenties. He and I would listen to world pop music that he brought home from his travels, we’d scan radio stations on shortwave (nowadays the net does that). We’d go through thrift stores and buy obscure 78RPMs to make a day of it. The folks would order 45rpms for me to use at a community centre for dances, he’d bring his friends over for our band rehearsals, and much more. I listened to horrendously terrible music that wasn’t necessarily to my taste; but, I’d sip it and still took away something from those oddities. I still do that today when I’m curious. In Dad’s 70s I introduced him to Frank Zappa music and compared it to Spike Jones. He loved it. My mother was driven crazy with his beloved car cassette (gifted from me) of EDM music from Guru Josh. Long before Canada’s Dead Mau5. See? I know this dude. :lol:
Now take Rock and Roll. Many of the Rock Giants of early days had been weaned as big band or country singers.

Little Richard aka Richard Pettiman with the Buck Ram orchestra:


Okay, now let’s ramp it up a bit with Jimi Hendrix. He’s in the back row (left):


I could add a long list of others rockers like that, but no need to give examples to show that not only did they contribute to a different era or genre suffice to say they not only developed from there, they also brought it here from there, although Jimi threw a lot of it away. :lol: Elton had his classical background, and the Brit’s not only incorporated Blues into their music, they renewed it as Blues masters would tell us. Funk used jazz, progressive rock used classical, many forms of rock used reggae, Southern rock borrowed backroad billy music, hard rock and punk evolved into numerous flavours, made mostly popular from hometown fans, and the list goes on.

Where it takes a curve is unlike tell tale identities like Presley, Richard, Meatloaf, Cher, Etta, Stevie (both Nicks and Wonder), Diana, Michael, (you can add your own) Jimi, and so on including duos like the Righteous Brothers, and the Everlys. Aside from, perhaps Country, today’s identities try to emulate everyone from the two Mouseketeers Aguilara and Britney, to Adele and Katy Perry. from the Backstreet Boys to Justin (both Bieber and Timberlake) to Kanye and Tupac. There was a time every pop songstress sounded like our Canadian girl Alanis Morrisette. On their own they were and are. to their credit, unique and worthy for their contribution. To follow a style is not to be looked down at, but not giving it your own identity is Phtt! Why take second best when the best is available? YMMV.

Then came along a breath of fresh air with this loss to music:



Would every Jazz artist sound like Satchmo, country artist like Cash or Stevie Ray, rock artist like Holly or Jimmy Page, Blues artist like Little Walter or B.B. King? Nope!

Instead we have:


I could go on to write a book about the music lost from variety, to experimentation with genius producers that got us here, to dancing, to bands like the Beatles and Yes and Pink Floyd that gave us full orchestrations, to fashion, and then there is guitar and other design development most of which appeared in the earlier stages of rock, and what not.

I agree there are still good producers; but, Phil Spector, Berry Gordy, Quincy Jones, Mutt Lange, and their type are a breed all their own. Same goes for writers like those in the Brill Building. Lyrics were seldom dumbed down to a loop like today. Add the Funk Brothers and the Wrecking crew, and we haven’t even touched on the artists. As for the beat and tempo - that was left up to the celebrities that put on a show and had their own style. You could actually make a comment about the show without being drowned out at maximum level. Loud yes. Deafening no! That added to the experience. IMHO. (and that comes from a drummer and guitarist) :P Notice the dude behind the turntables has a headset and the musicians have earpieces? Bring yours to the next concert. :lol:
Performance wasn’t the Fossy hip hoppers in the foreground. It was the artist who played or sang live while duck walking across the stage or showing a new step with a swivel hip or splits like James Brown. You might miss that because you’d be dancing (instead of bouncing or watching your feet stay in one position while you found a place to stand in the aisle so you can stretch from the chair). Can’t dance? No problem. There were others to watch and enjoy.

I like great rap, but I’m fussy and hate the less than great that cashed in on association and promotion,

I have a new found appreciation for punk and other rock that passed by me. Great stuff here in the Forum are examples. Same rules as rap though.

Indie and alternative can be very good indeed, and there are some very good producers and recordings. They definitely deserve a listen, and, perhap this genre gives the current most variety and, after weeding out the mediocre glut, there are choices for superb performances. Much of it is raw and has an original vibe.

There’s so much to like and now we’ve come full circle, albeit a long way around for which I apologize.

In the end, if yesterday was Muscle Cars, today is Tuners. I like lots from this era too. There’s so much to compare:


Make it your own. :D
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:41 pm
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Excellent!!! That’s what I’m talking about. It’s more than just being technical and doing things just because you can.

Thundercat with “Show You The Way” (featuring Michael McDonald) - beautiful and with the spirit. It doesn’t hurt to have the master Herbie Hancock either.

As for the vintage vibe - The 1 million views and 17,000 thumbs up seem to agree that it’s a fine song.

Thanks, for your post.

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Excellent!!! That’s what I’m talking about. It’s more than just being technical and doing things just because you can.

Thundercat with “Show You The Way” (featuring Michael McDonald) - beautiful and with the spirit. It doesn’t hurt to have the master Herbie Hancock either.

As for the vintage vibe - The 1 million views and 17,000 thumbs up seem to agree that it’s a fine song.

Thanks, for your post.

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Then there is also this:



It's weird over the past few months I've been on kind of a hip hop kick since if you put Thundercat and Flying Lotus on Pandora MF DOOM also comes up:





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Flying Lotus: Great music and awesome video.

Side Note: With regards to the Flying Lotus beautiful artistic production, you may see an end to Indian headdress and similar fashion in music videos and other places. There is a strong movement to change misrepresentation as there is with other depictions of Indians. Indigenous music (also mixed with pop and rock) has become very popular so this will probably go on to promote that theme.

Coffin Nails - MF Doom: Liked it too.

MF Doom - Mandrake: I didn’t feel it. My thoughts are it’s too simple and it doesn’t add anything to an already great song. It would make a good ringtone though. :P

Time to get back to the topic for this thread (well, sort of in that direction):



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I like to noodle on a bass when I'm watching a movie, so I have a tendency to go back to the violin bass when I'm doing that. I think the reason is that it's almost acoustic in it's properties, so you can hear it more, without having to plug it into an amp, which I don't have set up in the living room. It's also compact and lightweight, so you're not really thinking about it when playing it. Hopefully, someday I'd like to get an actual acoustic bass, which would be great for similar circumstances, and maybe even busking downtown, if I ever felt so bold. There's a few people that jam out on acoustic guitars down there that I see all of the time. I've never talked to them, though. I'm usually on my fitness walk, so I like to keep that going. Although, sometimes we'll stop, especially for shopping, or whatever. I know there are some nice acoustic bass models out these days, and not too very expensive, if I could manage to get the funds to do so.

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Fender Strat Brat wrote:
Flying Lotus: Great music and awesome video.

Side Note: With regards to the Flying Lotus beautiful artistic production, you may see an end to Indian headdress and similar fashion in music videos and other places. There is a strong movement to change misrepresentation as there is with other depictions of Indians. Indigenous music (also mixed with pop and rock) has become very popular so this will probably go on to promote that theme.

Coffin Nails - MF Doom: Liked it too.

MF Doom - Mandrake: I didn’t feel it. My thoughts are it’s too simple and it doesn’t add anything to an already great song. It would make a good ringtone though. :P

Time to get back to the topic for this thread (well, sort of in that direction):



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Another interesting side note re Fly Lo. His mother is songwriter Marilyn McCleod (Diana Ross "Love Hangover") and his great aunt is Alice Coltrane.

I find Thundercat's use of the Native Headdress. IMHO it is less offensive than The Washington Redskins or (Cleveland Indian logo) Chief Woo Woo. My father is adopted Lakota and finds the American Flag offensive.


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I like to noodle on a bass when I'm watching a movie, so I have a tendency to go back to the violin bass when I'm doing that. .
I was brushing up my skills for songwriting and my book mentioned that watching a movie or drama series while playing a melody is one more great inspiration tool for song writing, especially handy when you have that player’s/songwriter block.

I dunno about that. Everytime I see a cop show I wanna play Shaft . . . only I don’t know how. :lol:
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Rev J wrote:
Fender Strat Brat wrote:
Flying Lotus: Great music and awesome video.

Side Note: With regards to the Flying Lotus beautiful artistic production, you may see an end to Indian headdress and similar fashion in music videos and other places. There is a strong movement to change misrepresentation as there is with other depictions of Indians. indigenous music (also mixed with pop and rock) has become very popular so this will probably go on to promote that theme.
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Another interesting side note re Fly Lo. His mother is songwriter Marilyn McCleod (Diana Ross "Love Hangover") and his great aunt is Alice Coltrane.

I find Thundercat's use of the Native Headdress. IMHO it is less offensive than The Washington Redskins or (Cleveland Indian logo) Chief Woo Woo. My father is adopted Lakota and finds the American Flag offensive.


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Good info. Rev J. That family connection explains a lot about Fly Lo’s talent.

I tend to agree with you on much of the characterization as you mentioned. I did watch a documentary showing the history of indigenous fashion in the arts with talk from Indian models and artists as well as Chiefs and they have their own take which made a credible argument, I suppose. It should be pointed out that this is not just a North American issue. Someday, attitudes may change with the times as religion and culture of any kind is a conscious decision. On the other hand, those things have survived centuries. It doesn’t matter that we get to share another’s culture for all or any reason I suppose, but it is what it is. Oh yeah. I visited the Oglala reservation several times both as a kid and adult and we own art from there. :wink:

On the lighter side. The Tall Ship 95’ ketch I worked on had a well known and respected sailor who was a full Chief. He claimed the boat was his and no one above or below his rank would argue with him because he basically was the go to person that knew the boat up and down stem to stern. Plus, he was a BIG guy. :lol:
My father told me that some years before this Chief Billy Big Canoe (great name huh?) with full traditional wear and his large headdress stood with arms folded while standing majestically on the foreward guns of the Cruiser my father was the Coxwain of when, in 1953, they came to line up with many Commonwealth ships and others from around the world (over 250 covering 14 miles) by Portsmouth, England for Queen Elizabeth’s coronation.

Later, Chief Billy went to a pub where he had his headdress stolen. I heard it was an ugly event and, knowing Chief Big Canoe whom I respected and got along with, he must have gone on the warpath. :shock:

You might like this:


Now after all this blah blah you might all think that we are far from the original Topic for this thread. Nope!

I’ll tie in a favourite famous award winning First Nation’s artist and producer to keep with the theme.

Here is someone’s favourite guitar and, perhaps, more than one person’s fave as you will see. You won't want to miss this. It’s a major Fender contribution:



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I like to noodle on a bass when I'm watching a movie, so I have a tendency to go back to the violin bass when I'm doing that. .
I was brushing up my skills for songwriting and my book mentioned that watching a movie or drama series while playing a melody is one more great inspiration tool for song writing, especially handy when you have that player’s/songwriter block.

I dunno about that. Everytime I see a cop show I wanna play Shaft . . . only I don’t know how. :lol:
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I've noticed that I've come up with a lot of song ideas while just noodling and not thinking about it, like that. Sometimes, it's easier to do that when you're not thinking about it. Zen? Who knows? :P

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Fender Strat Brat wrote:
Flying Lotus: Great music and awesome video.

Side Note: With regards to the Flying Lotus beautiful artistic production, you may see an end to Indian headdress and similar fashion in music videos and other places. There is a strong movement to change misrepresentation as there is with other depictions of Indians. indigenous music (also mixed with pop and rock) has become very popular so this will probably go on to promote that theme.
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Another interesting side note re Fly Lo. His mother is songwriter Marilyn McCleod (Diana Ross "Love Hangover") and his great aunt is Alice Coltrane.

I find Thundercat's use of the Native Headdress. IMHO it is less offensive than The Washington Redskins or (Cleveland Indian logo) Chief Woo Woo. My father is adopted Lakota and finds the American Flag offensive.


C/S,
Rev J
Good info. Rev J. That family connection explains a lot about Fly Lo’s talent.

I tend to agree with you on much of the characterization as you mentioned. I did watch a documentary showing the history of indigenous fashion in the arts with talk from Indian models and artists as well as Chiefs and they have their own take which made a credible argument, I suppose. It should be pointed out that this is not just a North American issue. Someday, attitudes may change with the times as religion and culture of any kind is a conscious decision. On the other hand, those things have survived centuries. It doesn’t matter that we get to share another’s culture for all or any reason I suppose, but it is what it is. Oh yeah. I visited the Oglala reservation several times both as a kid and adult and we own art from there. :wink:

On the lighter side. The Tall Ship 95’ ketch I worked on had a well known and respected sailor who was a full Chief. He claimed the boat was his and no one above or below his rank would argue with him because he basically was the go to person that knew the boat up and down stem to stern. Plus, he was a BIG guy. :lol:
My father told me that some years before this Chief Billy Big Canoe (great name huh?) with full traditional wear and his large headdress stood with arms folded while standing majestically on the foreward guns of the Cruiser my father was the Coxwain of when, in 1953, they came to line up with many Commonwealth ships and others from around the world (over 250 covering 14 miles) by Portsmouth, England for Queen Elizabeth’s coronation.

Later, Chief Billy went to a pub where he had his headdress stolen. I heard it was an ugly event and, knowing Chief Big Canoe whom I respected and got along with, he must have gone on the warpath. :shock:

You might like this:


Now after all this blah blah you might all think that we are far from the original Topic for this thread. Nope!

I’ll tie in a favourite famous award winning First Nation’s artist and producer to keep with the theme.

Here is someone’s favourite guitar and, perhaps, more than one person’s fave as you will see. You won't want to miss this. It’s a major Fender contribution:



FSB


I always try to watch "The Last Waltz" on Thanksgiving. I also remember giving my dad a copy of "Contact From the Underworld of Redboy" years ago.

Then there is this:



Back on subject. I mentioned my Steve Bailey Jazz. There is just something great about having a great sounding, quality comfortable instrument. That is one of the instruments that I have that I will never part with.

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