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Post subject: Re: Apollo 11 On The Moon
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:04 am
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The whole slow motion technology debate is irrelevant anyway. No-one has satisfactorily replicated the movements of the astronauts in the footage, even with current equipment. Also, how do you get fine dust kicked up by the boots to fall so directly to the ground? It doesn't puff up or cloud because there is no air to carry it. You'd need a huge vacuum chamber, which still doesn't exist.


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:P :wink: :lol:

My account appears to have been hacked, so I have changed my password. I had those emoticons side by side, not stacked vertically.

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by webmasters.
It appears to be a change in the site software, where smilies are now displayed in vertically separated boxes.

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The "display: block" causes all images to be presented as blocks.

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Post subject: Re: Apollo 11 On The Moon
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:03 am
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I could fill a book on how and where many of the current TV technologies became common place being that I worked in B/W broadcasting with kinescope and I used an added basic accessory (Ampex Editec 1963) mounted outboard to a video tape deck for editing frame by frame video tape, etc. I saw many of the developments prior to public knowledge, and many advancements occurred in the late 60s and early 70s.

March 1967 had the Ampex HS-100 (soon after the Ampex HS-200) disc recorder with slo-mo. This preceded the moon landing.

I hope this helps to clarify that slo-mo video was possible.
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You may well be able to fill a book, but that book would be filled w/ inaccuracies !! :shock:

If you read my posts, you'd find that I did indeed credit the Ampex H-100 w/ existing at that time.

The problem w/ the Ampex H-100 was that it's total capacity to capture Slo-mo was 30 seconds.

The Apollo EVA LIVE Broadcast ran continuously for 143 minutes, or almost 72 times the capacity of the H-100, meaning it could not have been employed in creating a hoax. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Apollo 11 On The Moon
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:46 pm
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I could fill a book on how and where many of the current TV technologies became common place being that I worked in B/W broadcasting with kinescope and I used an added basic accessory (Ampex Editec 1963) mounted outboard to a video tape deck for editing frame by frame video tape, etc. I saw many of the developments prior to public knowledge, and many advancements occurred in the late 60s and early 70s.

March 1967 had the Ampex HS-100 (soon after the Ampex HS-200) disc recorder with slo-mo. This preceded the moon landing.

I hope this helps to clarify that slo-mo video was possible.
FSB

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You may well be able to fill a book, but that book would be filled w/ inaccuracies !! :shock:

If you read my posts, you'd find that I did indeed credit the Ampex H-100 w/ existing at that time.

The problem w/ the Ampex H-100 was that it's total capacity to capture Slo-mo was 30 seconds.

The Apollo EVA LIVE Broadcast ran continuously for 143 minutes, or almost 72 times the capacity of the H-100, meaning it could not have been employed in creating a hoax. :wink:

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Sorry, I didn't refer to your early comment on the Ampex H-100, Lightnin'. I'm old and dyslexic. You made some valid observations. I tend to lean towards the landing. Still, I did say slo-mo was possible. I did not say that adequate related slo-mo was prevalent. I can't say. Big difference. I simply provided the article. :wink:

On a side note: Canada does like other nations. It lies and keeps secrets, but, with finesse. 8)


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Post subject: Re: Apollo 11 On The Moon
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:45 pm
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I hate to dig this thread up but .... :oops:
Check this out.

"A widely popular theory is that the moon landing was staged, but some people believe that Stanley Kubrick actually directed the whole thing. They think that since he had finished 2001: A Space Odyssey in the 60s, he was capable of creating the special effects.

Going off the previous theory, many also believe that Kubrick's film 'The Shining" is an admission by Kubrick himself that he did in fact direct the moon landing. Danny wears an Apollo 11 jumper as he enters room 237, which supposedly symbolizes the fact that the Earth is around 237,000 miles from the moon. When it turns out nothing in that room is real, people say that is the director telling the audience that the moon landing was also not real. "

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Post subject: Re: Apollo 11 On The Moon
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And Paul McCartney isn't wearing shoes on the cover of Abbey Road, because he is dead. Now this thread is music related. :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Apollo 11 On The Moon
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:51 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
I hate to dig this thread up but .... :oops:
Check this out.

"A widely popular theory is that the moon landing was staged, but some people believe that Stanley Kubrick actually directed the whole thing. They think that since he had finished 2001: A Space Odyssey in the 60s, he was capable of creating the special effects.

Going off the previous theory, many also believe that Kubrick's film 'The Shining" is an admission by Kubrick himself that he did in fact direct the moon landing. Danny wears an Apollo 11 jumper as he enters room 237, which supposedly symbolizes the fact that the Earth is around 237,000 miles from the moon. When it turns out nothing in that room is real, people say that is the director telling the audience that the moon landing was also not real. "

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Well, Kubrick should have used Room # 238 because the Moon is in fact 384,400 km (or 238,855 miles) from Earth.

Another Urban-Myth debunked !!
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And Paul McCartney isn't wearing shoes on the cover of Abbey Road, because he is dead. Now this thread is music related. :mrgreen:


And Jimi Hendrix, Janis JoplIn and Jim Morrison are all living on a secret base on Mars!

Their first names all start with "J" and they all died within one year of each other!

Jim Morrison died the day before the 4th of July and his Dad was in the Navy!!!!

They all were 27 when they died !!!!!

Oh No! 2+7 = 9, 9 divided by 3 dead musicians = 3!!!!

All of this can't be a coincidence !!

(this is just like a episode of "Ancient Aliens"!) :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Apollo 11 On The Moon
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:05 am
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Lightnin MN wrote:
the Moon is in fact 384,400 km (or 238,855 miles) from Earth.

Another Urban-Myth debunked !!
:lol: :lol:


Is it always exactly 238,855 miles, or does the distance fluctuate? :| I'll give you a hint .... 238,855 is an average.

1. often Moon The natural satellite of Earth, visible by reflection of sunlight and having a slightly elliptical orbit, approximately 356,000 kilometers (221,600 miles) distant at perigee and 406,997 kilometers (252,950 miles) at apogee. Its mean diameter is 3,475 kilometers (2,160 miles), its mass approximately one eightieth that of Earth, and its average period of revolution around Earth 29 days 12 hours 44 minutes calculated with respect to the sun.

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Post subject: Re: Apollo 11 On The Moon
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:27 am
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Is it always exactly 238,855 miles, or does the distance fluctuate? :| I'll give you a hint .... 238,855 is an average.

1. often Moon The natural satellite of Earth, visible by reflection of sunlight and having a slightly elliptical orbit, approximately 356,000 kilometers (221,600 miles) distant at perigee and 406,997 kilometers (252,950 miles) at apogee. Its mean diameter is 3,475 kilometers (2,160 miles), its mass approximately one eightieth that of Earth, and its average period of revolution around Earth 29 days 12 hours 44 minutes calculated with respect to the sun.


It's even more complicated than that, because the distance can mean several different things:
- The distance between the geographical center of Earth and geographical center of the moon.
- The distance between the gravitational center of Earth and gravitational center of the moon. Not identical, because Earth is slighly pear shaped, and the moon orbits at an inclination.
- The closest distance betwen the surface of the earth and surface of the moon. "Travel distance."
- The distance from the gravitational center of the moon to the Earth/Moon barycenter (the common point which they revolve around), plus the distance of the gravitational center of Earth to the same point. Which is close to, but not equal to the distance between the gravitational centers directly. Gravity is restricted by the speed of light, so the moon is drawn towards where the Earth was ~8 seconds ago (and vice versa).


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strings10927 wrote:
Lightnin MN wrote:
the Moon is in fact 384,400 km (or 238,855 miles) from Earth.

Another Urban-Myth debunked !!
:lol: :lol:


Is it always exactly 238,855 miles, or does the distance fluctuate? :| I'll give you a hint .... 238,855 is an average.

1. often Moon The natural satellite of Earth, visible by reflection of sunlight and having a slightly elliptical orbit, approximately 356,000 kilometers (221,600 miles) distant at perigee and 406,997 kilometers (252,950 miles) at apogee. Its mean diameter is 3,475 kilometers (2,160 miles), its mass approximately one eightieth that of Earth, and its average period of revolution around Earth 29 days 12 hours 44 minutes calculated with respect to the sun.


Yes... Of course it's an average.

But, the Moon reaches it's apogee and perigee every month. And the time/date this occurs varies by year and location.

And, you also have to factor in that the Moon is inconstant. The Moon has an elliptical orbit around the Earth and the Earth has an elliptical orbit around the Sun. Plus, the gravitational pull of the Planets also have effect. As a result, these monthly/annual apogees/perigees are never constant, though fall within a given range.

The closest perigee in the years 1750 through 2125 was 356,375 km (or 221,441 Miles) on January 4th,1912; the most distant apogee in the same period will be 406,720 km (or 252,724 Miles) on February, 3rd 2125.

So, this Urban Myth depends on which month/date/year Kubrick selected to validate using the Room # 237 to represent a distance of 237,000 miles to the Moon.

It seems reasonable to assume that Kubrick would use the year 1968, the year the film was released.

Well, in 1968, there were only 2 months were the perigee was in the 237,000 mile range. These occurred at 10:11 PM on Aug 4th and at 6:24 AM on Dec 19th.

The problem was, the film was released on April 6th, 1968.

This leads us to assume he basically pulled the number at random.

The problem with pulling the number at random is that if it were meant to metaphorize the distance to the Moon, there isn't any logic to it.

It is waay more logical to use the Avg. distance which would have resulted in the using Room 238, not Room 237.

While not as conclusive an argument as debunking the Slo-Mo theory on the basis of the Camera to do so didn't exist, it does go a long way toward making this Urban-Myth nothing more than an Urban-Myth.

I'll now sit back and listen to the Conspiracy Theorists state that since it is not 100% conclusive evidence, their contention of a faked Moon Landing has not been 100% disproved.

Yet most reasonable people, dare I say 'thinking' people, will believe that sufficient proof has been provided that the Moon Landing was not faked !

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This leads us to assume he basically pulled the number at random.

Now here's the problem with that theory .... Kubrick was asked why he chose the number 237, instead of 217 (per Stephen King's novel). He said he was asked by the owners of the hotel to change the number because they didn't want guests to be uncomfortable staying in room 217 after the movie was released. That was Kubrick's answer. But the thing is .... the hotel does not have a room number 217 :shock: (go ahead, call and ask for that room #).

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This leads us to assume he basically pulled the number at random.

Now here's the problem with that theory .... Kubrick was asked why he chose the number 237, instead of 217 (per Stephen King's novel). He said he was asked by the owners of the hotel to change the number because they didn't want guests to be uncomfortable staying in room 217 after the movie was released. That was Kubrick's answer. But the thing is .... the hotel does not have a room number 217 :shock: (go ahead, call and ask for that room #).


No, I didn't mean the Room Number, I meant the distance Earth-to-Moon.

There's no significance to the distance 237,000 where Moon distance is involved.

237,000 is no specific apogee or perigee, nor an upper/lower limit of either.

The apogee/perigee for the Moon in July, 1969 when the Landing occurred were 252,640 mi and 222,419 mi respectively.

However, there is recognizable significance w/ 238,000mi. because it is the average (encompassing all relevant distances).

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I was headed for the Like button, then remembered there wasn't one on this forum...


+1 a like button might be nice. :D

What, like as opposed to posting " I like this :lol: ", next thing we know is everyone will want buttons for everything, whatever happened to the days of "ropes and pulleys" technology eh :lol:


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I was headed for the Like button, then remembered there wasn't one on this forum...


+1 a like button might be nice. :D

What, like as opposed to posting " I like this :lol: ", next thing we know is everyone will want buttons for everything, whatever happened to the days of "ropes and pulleys" technology eh :lol:


:lol:

Maybe we need an explode button?! :evil: :lol:
Perhaps, NASA has some left over. :wink:

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