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Post subject: Re: Musicians Friend-pullin teeth online ordering
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:56 pm
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I have ordered from both Sweetwater and MF w/ no issues whatever.

Yes... your the customer and all that, but in the Grand Scheme of things, your individual contribution to their Bottom Line is minuscule.

Granted, it would be nice if they rolled out the Red Carpet, served you vintage wine and named their firstborn after you for the mere purchase of a set of strings, but that's not reality in retailing today, especially online retailing.

If accessing a website is so disturbing to you that you take the time to air your frustration on a completely separate Forum, how are you going to react when they tell you that you have Cancer?

Maybe your expectations need a little realignment.

Life is a series of Ups & Downs. If this is the worst it ever gets for you, consider yourself lucky to be ahead of 99.9% of the other $@!& Sapiens clinging to this Rock !

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It's been said a million times...."if you don't like a thread, DON'T F'n READ it".
For you even to jump in and knock someone's issue with ordering music equipment (which is intended to help others), that just demonstrates your lack of manners.


Seems that my supposed lack of manners has been exceedingly superseded by your own !

If opposition to a thread is deemed a lack of manners, then all debate is stifled.

As has been mentioned, many have bought equipment satisfactorily from the vendor mentioned.

Rather than helping assist others, the OP is steering users away from what may be a very easy, satisfying equipment buying experience with this retailer simply because he cannot, or will not, adapt his own gadget to access a site which the vast majority of internet users have no trouble with whatever.

MF, AMS, Sweetwater have all been in business for many years. That came about because most people had/have positive experiences with them. You can find disgruntled or even mistreated customers for each of these online retailers. Conversely, each has a following of loyal customers as well.

I would have no issue with this thread if it denoted a specific issue having to do with the purchase, shipment or condition of a purchase, even a rude or unknowledgeable employee, but it doesn't, it's just a b*tch session. One where the OP is at least as much at fault as the maligned retailer.

I have no intention of fueling a Image here, so I leave it at that.

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Post subject: Re: Musicians Friend-pullin teeth online ordering
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 2:03 pm
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"I'm sorry if this too offends you (and I suspect it will), however I happen to agree with Lightnin's comments. The fact that the OP has had such problems repeatedly when others haven't and that the OP seems so single minded about this, seems to suggest that perhaps the problem isn't the proverbial vehicle, but simply the loose nut behind the wheel. Personally I think the idea that the OP finds it sooooooo difficult or inconvenient to actually place an order by phone...wow - to me that says A LOT. The fact that the OP can't even do a simple Google search to see what other online companies are out there...yikes."

First of all IDIOT...I never asked about 'where' other vendors were...I can google THAT.
Furthermore, you 'claim' that the reason MF's order page does'nt work for me is that I "am the nut behind the wheel".
I think it has been established that MF's order page is not 'android friendly' insofar as inputting your phone number (which I do not like to give out anyway)....to possibly be sold elsewhere.

Why don't YOU think about this:
If MF is going to rely upon an automated order page for a LARGE percentage of their business, then perhaps they should make it compatible.
In the meantime, I'm going to point out their issues so that others won't be wasting their time.
Too bad if you don't like it chump.


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Post subject: Re: Musicians Friend-pullin teeth online ordering
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 2:13 pm
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ckmckool wrote:
"I'm sorry if this too offends you (and I suspect it will), however I happen to agree with Lightnin's comments. The fact that the OP has had such problems repeatedly when others haven't and that the OP seems so single minded about this, seems to suggest that perhaps the problem isn't the proverbial vehicle, but simply the loose nut behind the wheel. Personally I think the idea that the OP finds it sooooooo difficult or inconvenient to actually place an order by phone...wow - to me that says A LOT. The fact that the OP can't even do a simple Google search to see what other online companies are out there...yikes."

First of all IDIOT...I never asked about 'where' other vendors were...I can google THAT.
Furthermore, you 'claim' that the reason MF's order page does'nt work for me is that I "am the nut behind the wheel".
I think it has been established that MF's order page is not 'android friendly' insofar as inputting your phone number (which I do not like to give out anyway)....to possibly be sold elsewhere.

Why don't YOU think about this:
If MF is going to rely upon an automated order page for a LARGE percentage of their business, then perhaps they should make it compatible.
In the meantime, I'm going to point out their issues so that others won't be wasting their time.
Too bad if you don't like it chump.


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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 2:32 pm
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Yep...that figures Lightnin.
Put your foot in mouth.....Yell "Troll".


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Post subject: Re: Musicians Friend-pullin teeth online ordering
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:42 pm
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ckmckool wrote:
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The fact that the OP can't even do a simple Google search to see what other online companies are out there...yikes."



First of all IDIOT...I never asked about 'where' other vendors were...I can google THAT.


Wow...and you were the one who had an issue with other people's manners...nice. Before calling others an idiot, perhaps you should read your own words. At the bottom of your first post (the post which in fact started this thread), you asked;

"Is there another like online company (NOT affiliated wth MF)?"


Since I'm such an idiot, would you care to elaborate exactly which part of that question I misconstrued? And if you are in fact capable of doing a Google search...err...why ask the question to begin with? And wow...if I'm such an idiot, how was I able to come up with so many alternatives that you apparently found so utterly elusive?

ckmckool wrote:
Furthermore, you 'claim' that the reason MF's order page does'nt work for me is that I "am the nut behind the wheel".


I made no such specific claim, merely a suggestion or insinuation that perhaps the Musician's Friend website wasn't the sole cause of the problem here...an idea supported by the fact that others, including myself have successfully placed orders with MF and more over, that you yourself have repeatedly stated that you're unwilling to even try other solutions to this problem. For the sake of clarity however, I was NOT specifically referring to your reoccurring problems with MF, as much as your attitude over the situation as a whole....my apologies on that if my insinuation was too subtle for you to actually comprehend.

ckmckool wrote:
Why don't YOU think about this:
If MF is going to rely upon an automated order page for a LARGE percentage of their business, then perhaps they should make it compatible.


Compatible for who? A singular irrational individual who's apparently too obsessed with his toys to try a different browser, actually use a real computer or wow, just make a simple phone call? Seems like they've provided plenty of options for those looking to place an order...seems a lot of us have done it successfully so it couldn't be THAT hard, huh? It seems to me that the vast majority of people here who've had dealings with MF, myself included, have been happy with their service...with one notable, rather vocal exception - you. So are you honestly suggesting that MF cater to you exclusively? That alone would seem to suggest a rather remarkable degree of arrogance on your part, yes? And if that is in fact the case, do you also not completely justify the comments made about you?

And just as a matter of curiosity - how is it that you're so privy to MF's sales records to know how much of a percentage of their business comes from which portion of their service?

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In the meantime, I'm going to point out their issues so that others won't be wasting their time.


If you were in fact merely pointing out issues with their service for the benefit of others, folks like Lightnin and myself might have a very different attitude, however your ongoing comments suggest something else entirely.

I, like others here, have used Musician's Friend and speaking for myself, have never found it to be a "waste of time" (in fact, I've gotten some great deals thru their "scratch & dent" offers). While I still wouldn't buy a guitar thru them (or another any other service where I couldn't play the guitar first), given the right product and circumstance, I wouldn't hesitate to buy thru them again. Obviously you've had different results and had you of chosen to post your comments in a way that actually could be construed as a legitimate concern for some majority of people, I could be more forgiving - you haven't. If anything, the irrational way you've chosen to approach this has likely done your "cause" more harm than good - there's a BIG difference between someone with a legit grievance who chooses to caution others and someone who chooses to be a rude, childish, belligerent loud mouth all because the world didn't conform to his rather narrow expectations.


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Too bad if you don't like it chump.


More name calling...nice. Would you like to say some bad things about my mother while you're at it? I'm sure they're probably true.....

It's not really up to me to like OR dislike your comments...I really don't care that much either way beyond the exercise of a good debate, although I would question your purpose in posting when you're clearly unwilling to listen to anyone's advice or suggestions. Either way, I'm simply pointing out the flaws with your comments, your apparent lack of logic, your spoiled brat tendencies and since you chose to make a specific issue of it, your "lack of manners" which you've chosen to repeat again here.

So let's sum this all up - you started by airing a complaint and asking some questions, then proceeded to ignore advice and suggestions regarding those questions. After presumably finding your own solution to the problem, you proceeded to complain some more and when pushed, you become hypocritical and resort to name calling, as though you somehow really believe that gives your comments any degree of credibility.

Wow.

Ball's in your court...enjoy.


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Post subject: Re: Musicians Friend-pullin teeth online ordering
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:36 pm
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"So let's sum this all up - you started by airing a complaint and asking some questions, then proceeded to ignore advice and suggestions regarding those questions. After presumably finding your own solution to the problem, you proceeded to complain some more and when pushed, you become hypocritical and resort to name calling, as though you somehow really believe that gives your comments any degree of credibility."

First of all.... if you lack the reading comprehension to keep up with a thread, then you have no business participating in said thread.
I never stated...nor disregarded any other vendor suggestions. Show me where I did big mouth.

Second....you state that I "proceeded to complain some more. ....but It was a actually OTHERS who were chiming in as to why (like me) , they ALSO prefer a humanless ordering option.
So.....I agreed with them.

Obviously you have a bug up your $@! about someone dissing MF. I don't know why...nor do I care.

But when someone comes on here and inferrs that it is I that is the problem...without the slightest proof, then Yep....that's an insult and I will call them out on it.

Instead of my automatically being labeling me as deficient, how about them-or YOU take an android device and attemt to order from MF online ordering page FIRST?

I've wasted way too much time in the past trying it....and I'm through. My time is too valuable to be playing stupid games....both on a site that SHOULD be compatible with android.......and answering questions from dullards who lack reading comprehension.


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Dayum! :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I always get a little schadenfreude :oops: :lol: out of other people's flame wars.

BTW, I bought my Strat online from Music123, no worries there...although that was years ago. :?

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... I always get a little schadenfreude...


Good Word !! :D :D

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Ok, guys. Who brought the marshmallows?
And did anyone bring a ... uhm ... guitar?


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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:02 pm
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lomitus wrote:
"So let's sum this all up - you started by airing a complaint and asking some questions, then proceeded to ignore advice and suggestions regarding those questions. After presumably finding your own solution to the problem, you proceeded to complain some more and when pushed, you become hypocritical and resort to name calling, as though you somehow really believe that gives your comments any degree of credibility."

ckmckool wrote:
First of all.... if you lack the reading comprehension to keep up with a thread, then you have no business participating in said thread.
I never stated...nor disregarded any other vendor suggestions. Show me where I did big mouth.


It's amazing that again you can't respond to critical comments about your posts without resorting to name calling or getting belligerent about it. I mean really...do you think that makes you look cool or something? Are you truly naive enough to believe that somehow fortifies your point of view? You complain about the manners of others, then you repeatedly respond in such a hypocritical way. Again...wow.

As far as participating in a thread, seems I have the same rights as you. The big problem seems to be that you're simply one of those who just can't handle it when someone disagrees with you. As you so eloquently put it, "if you don't like a thread, DON'T F'n READ it".

You also seem unable to address direct questions about your own comments. For example, after you chose to call me an "IDIOT", I quoted from your original post and invited you to show me exactly what part of your question I had misconstrued and if I was such an idiot, how I was able to find references you apparently couldn't. If you can't even respond to such basic questions and comments, I see no point in showing you anything else regarding your comments since you'll likely either ignore them or just get hostile about it again.

ckmckool wrote:
Second....you state that I "proceeded to complain some more. ....but It was a actually OTHERS who were chiming in as to why (like me) , they ALSO prefer a humanless ordering option.
So.....I agreed with them.


You're welcome to agree or disagree with whoever you choose. Is this supposed to somehow validate your name calling or your inability to be rational in a debate?

ckmckool wrote:
Obviously you have a bug up your $@! about someone dissing MF. I don't know why...nor do I care.


I really don't have a bug up my butt about anything really...beyond your disrespectful attitude towards others. Based on the comments you've made collectively in this thread, I doubt my attitude would be any different had you of had issues with AMS or even Joe's Discount Guitar Outlet. ANYONE who knows me on these forums, KNOWS that I have little specific sense of "brand loyalty"...my obsessively frugal nature prohibits this. Yes, I've successfully done business with Musician's Friend, just as I've done business with MANY retailers in the years I've been a musician. The fact of the matter however is that if AMS were offering the same item as MF for $10 less, I'd get it from AMS. If I found it at Sam Ash for $30 less...shouldn't take any degree in rocket science to figure out where my loyalties actually are.

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But when someone comes on here and inferrs that it is I that is the problem...without the slightest proof, then Yep....that's an insult and I will call them out on it.


Yea...uummm...sure. Again perhaps you should try reading your own posts. Seems like you, yourself have provided plenty of "proof" with your continued inability to consider options, let alone compromises.

As far as "insults", while some of my posts have perhaps been a bit tongue in cheek or the proverbial poke in the ribs, trust me on this - if I were truly and deliberately insulting you, you would KNOW. If anything, I've actually tried to be respectful and patient considering much of what you've written. Either way, suggesting that the user is the problem and not the company or application shouldn't be viewed particularly as insulting, especially when the person in question has repeatedly been stubborn or irrational...it simply suggests to others following the thread that the problem could very well be elsewhere.

Of course, your insecurities about being insulted says a lot too...

ckmckool wrote:
Instead of my automatically being labeling me as deficient, how about them-or YOU take an android device and attemt to order from MF online ordering page FIRST?


Why should I have ANY desire to use an android, tablet or other device to place an order (let alone an order for something I don't need)? Why should I have any desire for such devices in the first place when I have no use for them?? Are you truly that desperate for someone to agree with you? Unlike yourself, I'm perfectly content just dialing their phone number...and I get great results!

Now that point out of the way, as a person who has in fact done some small degree of website programming, I will say that beta testing is a pain in the butt. Not that I truly believe you'll give this ANY consideration, however had you of directed this at MF where the problem would be more likely to be addressed instead of going on about it at Fender.com...there's a better chance that said comparability issue might have already been addressed. Neither Lightnin, myself or ANYONE else here can do a thing about how the MF website is programmed...and you can bet your bottom they can't fix it until someone such as yourself RESPECTFULLY makes a suggestion with ways to improve.

BTW...your use of English in that last sentence, was rather deficient, as was your spelling and use of "infer" in the comment before that. Not an insult, just a observation.

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I've wasted way too much time in the past trying it....and I'm through.


I've heard some define the word "stupid" as "a person who tries the same thing, over and over again, but expects different results".

While I don't mean this to be deliberately insulting (although I suspect it will be taken that way), you strike me as the sort of person who repeatedly tries to pound a round peg into a square hole...then tries to blame the square hole because the peg won't fit. Because the square hole doesn't conform to your sense of order, even after others have shown you that a square peg WILL fit, in your mind, the problem MUST be the hole and when others try to point this out, you get your feelings hurt, start with the name calling and foul mouth and other such behavior.

While this should be construed as a small insult, I do honestly have to wonder what kind of temper tantrum you'd throw if your mommy took your android tablet away......one has to wonder if you'd even be able to function as the most basic level. Hhmmmmm.......

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My time is too valuable to be playing stupid games....both on a site that SHOULD be compatible with android.......and answering questions from dullards who lack reading comprehension.
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Lotimus. you have the reading comprehension of a fungus gnat.


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Ahhhhh.....I missed the old day's. Good to have them back along with one of the regulars. If ya'll don't know Lomitus, ya'll don't know what you're up against as far as knowledge base. When the man, talks, sit back and listen. :wink: But I do digress: :oops:

On topic. MF is GC redux. I had only one experience ordering on line from Guitar Center. It was for the now deceased '57 Hotrod Stratocaster. That was five years ago. It's a long story, not worth the retelling, but centers on how they program their system to handle back orders. With and without the assistance of customer service, it remained an unworkable effort. I ultimately cancelled the order and gave to The Music Zoo, in Roslyn NY. As for Sweetwater, I've place three orders with them in the past, all through a rep on the phone, without much difficulty. The last was a Mesa Boogie King Snake amplifier. I'm not bothered by their sales pitches. The rep has a living to earn. "No thank you" works wonders.

As to the tenor of the conversation, it's been eight years now that we have been interacting on these Forums. The watch word, first and foremost, is 'be nice'. Agree to disagree in a constructive fashion. :idea: Most of us know each other not beyond the screen. What might work face to face does not work here. :twisted:

That's my two cents. :wink:


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"As to the tenor of the conversation, it's been eight years now that we have been interacting on these Forums. The watch word, first and foremost, is 'be nice'. Agree to disagree in a constructive fashion. :idea: Most of us know each other not beyond the screen. What might work face to face does not work here"

Agreed.
That's why i'm always careful jumping into a thread i disagree with ...,by putting words in someone's mouth or hurling insults.
Best just to disagree or say nothing.


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"You're never alone with a schizophrenic... !! " :roll: :roll:

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"You're never alone with a schizophrenic... !! " :roll: :roll: cheers!

......an in an argument, you constitute a majority of one. 8)

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