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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:28 am
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If you are playing to a I IV V progression in the Key of A do you just use the Am Pentatonic scale for the entire progression? If so will all the notes sound right as the chords change or do you avoid certain notes in the scale?


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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:42 am
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You can either play in major or minor. As long as your starting on your root (A in this case). If your playing in minor, it will probably sound *better* but I usually like to mix both although you need to approach it differently. You might want to play the blues scale because it will also sound nice over a one four five.

You can play the same scale for the whole song but at a certain point it might get bland/typical (unless you have amazing phrasing).

Because of the 1, 4 ,5 progression you can make things little more complex by changing (scale) modes for each chord.


So your playing a I-IV-V

Amaj(7) Dmaj(7) and Emaj(7)

I added the (7th) because i'm not sure if your just playing triads or if you adding the 7th. Adding the 7th will sound richer/fuller. Obviously it will sound a tad less rocking.

So you could technically play in Ionian over the the Amaj(7) in Lydian over the Dmaj(7) and in Mixolydian on the Emaj(7). All chords in a progression are relative to a mode.

From first to last: Ionian (I) Dorian(II) Phrygian(III) Lydian (IV) Mixolydian (V) Aeolian (VI) Locrian (VII).

So match the mode with your progression and you'll have a pretty funky tune going on. Obviously this is going way over your question but it's a different way to go at it.

It might also not be the sound your looking for so sticking with simpler scales (pentatonic) will be fine.


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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:37 am
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ics1974 wrote:
If you are playing to a I IV V progression in the Key of A do you just use the Am Pentatonic scale for the entire progression? If so will all the notes sound right as the chords change or do you avoid certain notes in the scale?

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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:47 am
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I am just looking at the pentatonic scale for right now. What I need to know is if you can use the scale and not really care about the what chord is going on in the background. OR do you follow the chords and choose the chord tones from the scale as boss notes?

How does Clapton , Page and other greats do this. Do they just play the scale or do they follow the chord and emphasize the chord tones?


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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:03 am
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All you do is follow what key you're in. Say you are doing a 12 bar blues progression in the key of A, A is your root box in that progression. So A would be I. Then D IV and E V. So just stay in the right key of the progression. (Hope this is what you're looking for) :lol:

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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:08 am
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All you do is follow what key you're in. Say you are doing a 12 bar blues progression in the key of A, A is your root box in that progression. So A would be I. Then D IV and E V. So just stay in the right key of the progression. (Hope this is what you're looking for) :lol:


I am not sure what you mean. Are you saying change to a A minor pent for the I chord, D minor pent for the IV and E minor for the V chord?


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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:10 am
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So does this mean all the greats follow the chord and NOT just play the same scale for the entire tune?


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All the greats follow whatever sounds good to them. Listen to Creams' Crossroads and Strange Brew. Clapton follows the 12 bar blues scale in both of those songs.

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hottrod wrote:
All the greats follow whatever sounds good to them. Listen to Creams' Crossroads and Strange Brew. Clapton follows the 12 bar blues scale in both of those songs.


Yes but does he follow the chords or does he just play the scale?


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He follows the progression of I four times, IV two times, then I two more times, then V twice, IV twice, and back to your root note of I.

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far be it for me to tell anyone how to practice but i am very glad i have a teacher to show and accompany me in learning these very issues you are disscussing all these answers are exellent but it is always easier for me to understand when i can hear the lesson rather than try to figure it out myself


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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:52 pm
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If you're playing the Blues, quick change, then the chords are

I

IV

V



I for a bar
IV for a bar
I for 2 bars
IV for 2 bars
I for 2 bars
V for a bar
IV for a bar
I for a bar
I for a bar.

It's a pattern. The 12 bar blues.

If you're playing lead within a blues pattern - like with the Blues or Rock and Roll lead - then you're lead is in the pentatonic scale (if that's what it's called) of you're root - I - chord. Look at all BB King's songs, Clapton's Cocaine - even like the Surf song Wipeout. Generally, if you're learning a box system which I didn't it's box 2. I tend to play all over the fret board and actually read a lot of the songs I play due to a memory that's fried like an egg in Bakersfield.

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