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Post subject: Re: Strat vs Tele for Punk
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:59 pm
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Post subject: Re: Strat vs Tele for Punk
Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:24 am
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Obviously the politically correct answer is that "there are no rules in punk" and that thus it doesn't matter. There's a lot of truth in that, of course.

That said, from a musicological and historical standpoint, it's not even close. Tele by a landslide.

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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:09 pm
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Then there's this thread on Punk Rockers Who Play Strats.


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Post subject: Re: Strat vs Tele for Punk
Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:15 pm
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Then there's this thread on Punk Rockers Who Play Strats.


A big chunk of the Strat examples are guys playing Double Fat "Strats," single-HB (bridge) "Strats," and HSS "Strats." Particularly as to these first two types, these are arguably more accurately described as "Strat-shaped guitars," rather than true Strats (SSS).

While there are punk Tele users who had a neckbucker (my picture above included, though I also gig a '52 RI Tele with a trad dual-singlecoils as well, as seen in my default pic), both in overall numbers, importance of artists (myself excluded obviously), and users who played a trad pickup configuration, the Tele is the clear winner.

Not that I really have a dog in this hunt. I own a Strat (SSS) as well as Teles. Though I don't think I've ever played my Strat (or any of its predecessors, all SSS) in my punk rock band (formed 1996).


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Post subject: Re: Strat vs Tele for Punk
Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:01 pm
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Then there's this thread on Punk Rockers Who Play Strats.


A big chunk of the Strat examples are guys playing Double Fat "Strats," single-HB (bridge) "Strats," and HSS "Strats." Particularly as to these first two types, these are arguably more accurately described as "Strat-shaped guitars," rather than true Strats (SSS).

While there are punk Tele users who had a neckbucker (my picture above included, though I also gig a '52 RI Tele with a trad dual-singlecoils as well, as seen in my default pic), both in overall numbers, importance of artists (myself excluded obviously), and users who played a trad pickup configuration, the Tele is the clear winner.

Not that I really have a dog in this hunt. I own a Strat (SSS) as well as Teles. Though I don't think I've ever played my Strat (or any of its predecessors, all SSS) in my punk rock band (formed 1996).

The point of sharing that other thread was to show the OP that there is a place for Strats in punk, whether HSS or SSS or simply H. In fact, you can really play anything you want. Most of the bands in that thread go back considerably further than 1996. Mine started in 1981 and we're still going strong. Though truth be known, we also favor Teles over Strats.


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Post subject: Re: Strat vs Tele for Punk
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:17 am
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Though truth be known, we also favor Teles over Strats.


Of course, put both together and they're still dwarfed by Les Pauls in punk. Fender's biggest presence in punk is actually via basses, overwhelmingly Precisions.

But like rock and roll in general, and perhaps even moreso, virtually anything and everything has been used to play punk.


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Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:04 am
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Brian Krashpad wrote:
Of course, put both together and they're still dwarfed by Les Pauls in punk. Fender's biggest presence in punk is actually via basses, overwhelmingly Precisions.

But like rock and roll in general, and perhaps even moreso, virtually anything and everything has been used to play punk.

True dat.


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Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 1:37 pm
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Funny you mentioned that because I had a P Bass when I had this band when I lived in Florida called Prince Albert, which was more death rock than straight up punk. Although, we did cover the Dead Kennedy's "Pull My Strings," which was the first and only time I ever did any back up vocals during the breakdown.

There were Ramones fans that went to our gig after the Ramones concert liked us (we did our only one gig with this band called Car Bomb Driver, who I think are still around after all these years.) I remember that because it was the last Ramones tour before they broke up and I wasn't able to go.

But alas, it wasn't meant to be. The guitarist in our group was really a metalhead, who lied to get in the band, and after wanted to go in that direction; the drummer was more into prog rock, Dream Theater type stuff than playing what we wanted to do. So, there became a faction between them and my friend who sang and played guitar (a Tele Custom, by the way) and myself. We would have broken up beforehand, but we booked the gig a few weeks prior and we decided to go through with it.

Ah, local band drama. :P It's hard to believe that's been 20 years ago, or so. I've moved on to bigger and better things, but it still was a fun time in my life.

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Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:03 pm
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PaulLF wrote:
Funny you mentioned that because I had a P Bass when I had this band when I lived in Florida called Prince Albert, which was more death rock than straight up punk. Although, we did cover the Dead Kennedy's "Pull My Strings," which was the first and only time I ever did any back up vocals during the breakdown.

There were Ramones fans that went to our gig after the Ramones concert liked us (we did our only one gig with this band called Car Bomb Driver, who I think are still around after all these years.) I remember that because it was the last Ramones tour before they broke up and I wasn't able to go.

But alas, it wasn't meant to be. The guitarist in our group was really a metalhead, who lied to get in the band, and after wanted to go in that direction; the drummer was more into prog rock, Dream Theater type stuff than playing what we wanted to do. So, there became a faction between them and my friend who sang and played guitar (a Tele Custom, by the way) and myself. We would have broken up beforehand, but we booked the gig a few weeks prior and we decided to go through with it.

Ah, local band drama. :P It's hard to believe that's been 20 years ago, or so. I've moved on to bigger and better things, but it still was a fun time in my life.


Where were you in FL? I've been in Gainesville bands since the early '80's. I've heard of Car Bomb Driver.


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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:45 am
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Telecaster. I think you would be slightly less likely to lacerate your hand on the bridge if you get carried away.
Unless you get an "ashtray cover" for it, in which case, toss a coin.

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But alas, it wasn't meant to be. The guitarist in our group was really a metalhead, who lied to get in the band, and after wanted to go in that direction; the drummer was more into prog rock, Dream Theater type stuff than playing what we wanted to do. So, there became a faction between them and my friend who sang and played guitar (a Tele Custom, by the way) and myself. We would have broken up beforehand, but we booked the gig a few weeks prior and we decided to go through with it.
Are you sure that wasn't the screenplay for a "This Is Spinal Tap" sequel?

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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 6:54 am
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Brian Krashpad wrote:
PaulLF wrote:
Funny you mentioned that because I had a P Bass when I had this band when I lived in Florida called Prince Albert, which was more death rock than straight up punk. Although, we did cover the Dead Kennedy's "Pull My Strings," which was the first and only time I ever did any back up vocals during the breakdown.

There were Ramones fans that went to our gig after the Ramones concert liked us (we did our only one gig with this band called Car Bomb Driver, who I think are still around after all these years.) I remember that because it was the last Ramones tour before they broke up and I wasn't able to go.

But alas, it wasn't meant to be. The guitarist in our group was really a metalhead, who lied to get in the band, and after wanted to go in that direction; the drummer was more into prog rock, Dream Theater type stuff than playing what we wanted to do. So, there became a faction between them and my friend who sang and played guitar (a Tele Custom, by the way) and myself. We would have broken up beforehand, but we booked the gig a few weeks prior and we decided to go through with it.

Ah, local band drama. :P It's hard to believe that's been 20 years ago, or so. I've moved on to bigger and better things, but it still was a fun time in my life.


Where were you in FL? I've been in Gainesville bands since the early '80's. I've heard of Car Bomb Driver.


I was in St. Petersburg. Lived there since I was a little kid in the late 70's up until early 2003, then I moved to Rhode Island after I met my girlfriend, who I play bass for. Florida wasn't cutting it for me anymore, although I miss not freezing my $@! off. :P

Yeah, Car Bomb Driver were pretty cool dudes. It's too bad that we couldn't do any more shows with them, but things can fall apart when you have to deal with band drama.

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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:00 am
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Telecaster. I think you would be slightly less likely to lacerate your hand on the bridge if you get carried away.
Unless you get an "ashtray cover" for it, in which case, toss a coin.

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But alas, it wasn't meant to be. The guitarist in our group was really a metalhead, who lied to get in the band, and after wanted to go in that direction; the drummer was more into prog rock, Dream Theater type stuff than playing what we wanted to do. So, there became a faction between them and my friend who sang and played guitar (a Tele Custom, by the way) and myself. We would have broken up beforehand, but we booked the gig a few weeks prior and we decided to go through with it.
Are you sure that wasn't the screenplay for a "This Is Spinal Tap" sequel?


You know, that movie really could be a serious documentary. They certainly nailed it, that's for certain. Who hasn't had a Spinal Tap moment at some point as a musician? :P Maybe that's what is the reason there was always a lack of drummers to find back then? They all spontaneously combusted. :P

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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:05 pm
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Brian Krashpad wrote:
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Though truth be known, we also favor Teles over Strats.


Of course, put both together and they're still dwarfed by Les Pauls in punk. Fender's biggest presence in punk is actually via basses, overwhelmingly Precisions.

But like rock and roll in general, and perhaps even moreso, virtually anything and everything has been used to play punk.


I go to shows like 3 nights a weeks and I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen punk bands playing LPs

hell aside from the odd SG, Gibsons are pretty rare in just about every genre these days.

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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:59 am
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Floyd_The_Barber wrote:
Brian Krashpad wrote:
Highline wrote:
Though truth be known, we also favor Teles over Strats.


Of course, put both together and they're still dwarfed by Les Pauls in punk. Fender's biggest presence in punk is actually via basses, overwhelmingly Precisions.

But like rock and roll in general, and perhaps even moreso, virtually anything and everything has been used to play punk.


I go to shows like 3 nights a weeks and I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen punk bands playing LPs

hell aside from the odd SG, Gibsons are pretty rare in just about every genre these days.


Well, the topic wasn't limited to current bands. It was simply about punk as a genre.

That's, at a minimum, 40 years worth of bands. And punk guitarists using Gibsons far far outnumber those using Fenders, bassists excluded (where just the reverse is true).


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Post subject: Re: Strat vs Tele for Punk
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:20 pm
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You're both right.

The thing about punk is that by its very nature it can encompass a multitude of different varieties. I remember in the late 70s, early 80s, pretty much anything "strange" or out of the mainstream qualified as punk and in Phoenix we had everything from Killer $@!&# with a statuesque bombshell singer in a nurses outfit singing about "Teenage Enema Nurses in Bondage," to the early Meat Puppets going 1,000 mph, to art bands like International Language, to skate punks JFA, to the Sun City Girls who excelled in psychedelic strange improvisation designed to amaze, alienate, overwhelm and piss the audience off.

I don't think there was one type of guitar in common with any of them (if you don't count P-Basses). And when it comes to punk, I firmly believe that a huge range of expression and approaches is what it's all about.

Sadly, there's not quite such a range anymore and people love to argue about what is and what's not punk these days. Me, I like what I like, including a wide range of strangeness, but in looking at say, the top 10 punk bands I've listened to most recently, I can say that **from my perspective**, which admittedly leans toward 80s SoCal hardcore, most of them play Gibsons with humbuckers....

The Damned (SG)
China White (Les Paul)
Meat Puppets (Les Paul or Strat)
The Clash (Les Paul AND Tele)
The Jam (Rickenbacker)
Circle Jerks (SG)
TSOL (Les Paul then, Strat now but sometimes a Tele)
Big Boys (plexiglass Dan Electro)
Fear (Les Paul)
The Vandals (Tele)

Anyway, that's just the guitars that my favorite punk bands play (and yes, they're all old).

Your mileage may vary (and that's a good thing when it comes to punk).


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