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Post subject: Re: Can O' Worms: What are the essential pedals?
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:23 pm
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I don't use many effects, but here is the essentials:

Reverb (Fender ONLY)
Distortion (Boost or Distortion of your choice)
Wah Wah (Vox Only for this guy)
Chorus
Tuner

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Post subject: Re: Can O' Worms: What are the essential pedals?
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:43 pm
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Post subject: Re: Can O' Worms: What are the essential pedals?
Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:03 am
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TJ, from your thread title I thought that you had discovered a new must have pedal :lol: After reading through your and every ones post's I think you have a lot of useful information to work with as you build your effects arsenal. In 1968 I had a fuzz tone pedal and a wah wah pedal both essential pedal's at that time I thought. My Fender Super Reverb covered tremelo and reverb. Now I am a bass guitar player and have a TS7 and TU-2 pedals in addition to the gain and overdrive features of my bass amp heads. The Ibanez TSA 30 might be a better choice but you would have to save a little more as it costs more, that said, a reverb pedal or a pedal that includes that effect and a tremolo pedal or a pedal that includes that effect and a wah wah pedal should cover your effects needs. This is of course IMHO YMMV (to quote my favorite Martian :D ).

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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:17 am
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It really does depend on what you want to play and your ears.

I think that a tuner (though I prefer a headstock tuner), boost, distortion (or overdrive) and delay (or reverb) would be a great start.

I go to a pretty minimalist jam once every couple weeks. I usually take my mini setup of TC Spark -> TS-9 -> TC Alter Ego.

I choose delay over reverb because you can dial in some delay in minimal amounts just to give that bit of echo effect plus then set it so you can get more repeats as well for a completely different type of effect.

You add a modulation (I prefer a phaser because it is simple yet versitile) later and you pretty much can cover about 95% of every tune ever written.

If you do want a reverb however TC Hall of Fame is great. You may have noticed I really like TC.

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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:49 am
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:35 am
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Kenny V wrote:
Depending on how many pedals you are going to buy, it could end up costing you a lot on money. You may want to look into at Line 6 effects, or Boss effects units.


LINE 6???? I thought mention of Line 6 was verboten on this forum! :mrgreen:

No... seriously! A Line 6 Spider amp (even the Bogner editions) can't be mentioned in the same breath as a Fender Mustang amp IMO! However, I have respect for the POD HD effects processors... they are being used by serious pros I know.

But having said that; I have a Mustang V V.2 half-stack that's a keeper and I am selling my G-DEC 3 Thirty in light of the Ibanez TSA15 that is on the way. Kind of the novelty for me of getting the bluesy tube combo was to have a change from digital modeling and presets and really start tweaking with real knobs for once!

I have decided to forego the easy route of picking up a one-does-all processor of the Line 6 POD or Korg Pandora ilk and instead get a small pedal collection just for the sheer fun of it. I will get all the effects processor and modeling fun I need from my Mustang. But I am one of those neat and tidy-freak gear guys and like the idea of a matching pedal collection so I have been researching lines of pedals rather than a smattering of various pedals by various manufacturers... quite possibly a mistake I know!

Digitech HardWire looks tempting. I think there are only about 8 or so in that line which wouldn't take me more than a year or so to collect through bargain hunting on eBay. They have rave reviews and several are listed in top 5 and 10 pedal showdowns in their categories. But I think they are butt-ugly and someone on this forum mentioned that the construction is faulty with the Digitech stomps.

I am also really liking the compact line of pedals from TC Electronic.

I do know that a Dunlop Crybaby will be in my future for a wah... have actually been wanting one of those for the Mustang so it will get double duty.

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Post subject: Re: Can O' Worms: What are the essential pedals?
Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:25 pm
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Tiger J wrote:
No... seriously! A Line 6 Spider amp (even the Bogner editions) can't be mentioned in the same breath as a Fender Mustang amp IMO!

True. I have gotten decent tones out of a Bogner.


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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:50 pm
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arth1 wrote:
Tiger J wrote:
No... seriously! A Line 6 Spider amp (even the Bogner editions) can't be mentioned in the same breath as a Fender Mustang amp IMO!

True. I have gotten decent tones out of a Bogner.


My comment was meant to state IMO the Mustang amps are superior to the Spider Bogner amps despite not having a single 12ax7 tube in the pre-amp. But the Line 6 floor processors are serious business!

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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:54 pm
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nicholsoni wrote:
It really does depend on what you want to play and your ears.

I think that a tuner (though I prefer a headstock tuner), boost, distortion (or overdrive) and delay (or reverb) would be a great start.

I go to a pretty minimalist jam once every couple weeks. I usually take my mini setup of TC Spark -> TS-9 -> TC Alter Ego.

I choose delay over reverb because you can dial in some delay in minimal amounts just to give that bit of echo effect plus then set it so you can get more repeats as well for a completely different type of effect.

You add a modulation (I prefer a phaser because it is simple yet versitile) later and you pretty much can cover about 95% of every tune ever written.

If you do want a reverb however TC Hall of Fame is great. You may have noticed I really like TC.


I am really liking all that I hear and research on those TC pedals!

The TSA of course has a TS9 built-in... but it also has a 6db boost circuit that is footswitchable. Would that negate the need for a boost pedal such as the TC Spark?

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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 2:36 pm
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Tiger J wrote:
..................The TSA of course has a TS9 built-in... but it also has a 6db boost circuit that is footswitchable. Would that negate the need for a boost pedal such as the TC Spark?

Perhaps....the tone is nice, but sometimes I'm looking for a few more db if going from rhythm chords to single note clean leads; but you'll just have to test it out and see what you think.

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Post subject: Re: Can O' Worms: What are the essential pedals?
Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:40 pm
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Tiger J wrote:
My comment was meant to state IMO the Mustang amps are superior to the Spider Bogner amps despite not having a single 12ax7 tube in the pre-amp.

That is an opinion that needs to be stated as an opinion, not as fact.
My opinion differs, and I own a Mustang.


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Post subject: Re: Can O' Worms: What are the essential pedals?
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 12:16 pm
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Tiger J wrote:

Digitech HardWire looks tempting. I think there are only about 8 or so in that line which wouldn't take me more than a year or so to collect through bargain hunting on eBay. They have rave reviews and several are listed in top 5 and 10 pedal showdowns in their categories. But I think they are butt-ugly and someone on this forum mentioned that the construction is faulty with the Digitech stomps.


Don't do it man. You'll be sorry. As good as they might sound, they won't last. When I bought my pedal board, that's what I had. 10-X Series pedals. Things were ok at first, but then they started breaking down.

My reverb pedal was wacky to begin with. Choosing to work whenever it randomly wanted to.

** The pegs on the sides of the pedal that hold the foot stomp and give access to the battery compartment are inconsistent. A couple were loose enough to not be a problem. Most were so tight I could barely get them to engage. A couple were so tight, I had to use a hammer and nail set to get them to push in. But then, after getting a battery in (or taking one out), it was impossible to get it to push back to hold the foot stomp back on without drilling the hole slightly bigger (but not too big, or the peg won't work at all.

** The switch itself is a tiny little bugger. 4 of the switches stopped working after 2-years of use. And to top it off, the switch uses a little piece of rubber to engage it. The rubber piece isn't permanently secure to the foot stomp. It can, and will, fall out. And it can be hard to find if you're not sure when and where it did fall out. But, not to worry, they do give you a replacement piece inside the battery compartment. Just don't lose that one. But there's another reason they give you that. The rubber piece starts to wear and compress and eventually become too short to engage the switch. You can put a little piece of something underneath it, but then you're making it easier to fall out.

I did buy a hardwire overdrive and had it for about 2-weeks. The knobs became loose and could spin 360-degrees. That was it for me with the newer Digitech. The Hardwire is the same design as the X-Series, only now the knobs are worse.

Currently, after the few years I used my pedal board on a daily basis, none of those X-Series pedals are on my board. Whether they were acting erratically, missing parts, or switches not working, that ended up being my end result with them.

There's my 2-cents about Digitech. It's unfortunate. I thought they sounded good. Some, very good. The housing and parts are total crap. I have 2-plastic Arion pedals that have lasted since the 80's.

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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 12:40 pm
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Tiger J wrote:
I am really liking all that I hear and research on those TC pedals!

Just beware that most of them sound pretty digital. I have five TC pedals, but the only ones that sees some use are the PolyTune 2 and the Trinity reverb (the E1 setting with low mix).

But if I ever need digital distortion from the third circle of hell, the Röttweiler pedal will deliver that, and if I need a chorus that sounds as natural as an old Casio synth, the Dreamscape and Corona pedals do that. It's just not something that sounds good.
I used to use a TC MojoMojo overdrive pedal too, but that one was retired when I got a Spaceman Aphelion overdrive. They're not even in the same league, especially not in front of a tube amp.


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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 12:48 pm
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arth1 wrote:
Tiger J wrote:
My comment was meant to state IMO the Mustang amps are superior to the Spider Bogner amps despite not having a single 12ax7 tube in the pre-amp.

That is an opinion that needs to be stated as an opinion, not as fact.
My opinion differs, and I own a Mustang.


Hence the IMO!

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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 3:00 pm
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I have used a number of multi effects units, both pedal and rack based. While multi efects can be convenient once set up they can be extremely frustrating in changing.

Pedals are something that only you can decide on and will be prompted more by seeking a certain sound than as reference to what others might use.

Having had access to almost any effect imaginable through various multi effects processors there is a great danger in getting bogged down in the sound rather than getting on and playing.

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