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Post subject: Re: Have You Seen Jimi and Janis Lately?
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:09 pm
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I'm not advocating illegal drug use, but tobacco kills more people every year than all illegal drugs combined. Look it up.

I'm not advocating that anyone use anything, but personally, I've found that vaping gives me the same satisfaction as smoking once did. A big vape pen feels very much like a hookah, and while it's likely not healthy, I like to think it's far less damaging than smoking.

But hey, if anyone wants to smoke, scuba dive, drink, pray, lick smileys, eat fugu, or fly blue mushrooms, I think it should be up to them. If they don't force it on me, it's not my business.
Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin made their own choices. And brought me and many others many happy moments. What right do I have to judge them?


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Post subject: Re: Have You Seen Jimi and Janis Lately?
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:26 pm
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Ok folks, yep I judged them...so what? First off I have Never done a single illegal drug in my life, ever. And lets face it, we are not talking about pot, we are talking heroin, LSD, etc., here.

Certain things are simply wrong, and making bad choices with the life you lead is part of who you are and can not be separated from your being. NO ONE thinks of Jimi or Janice but doesn't think about their drug use, it is totally intertwined with who they were.

Sadly these people made horrible choices and it cost them both their lives. Not something that should be celebrated on a stamp since that tends to send the wrong message and some of the responses here are proof of that.

The proggies of this country need to be body checked and stopped from ruining what was once a fine country. I stand by my morals and convictions...something that many people sadly no longer have.

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Post subject: Re: Have You Seen Jimi and Janis Lately?
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:05 pm
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Post subject: Re: Have You Seen Jimi and Janis Lately?
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:38 pm
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Minnesotastrats wrote:
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Yes, both were great artists, and I liked a lot of their music, but both were also very much drug addicts...that did themselves in with said drugs. Not sure that we should put them onto stamps. Just another side to this coin and this also says something about where our society is and not in a good way.

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I'm not advocating illegal drug use, but tobacco kills more people every year than all illegal drugs combined. Look it up.


This is true. I also wouldn't be surprised to find out that there is a large increase in carcinogens in cigarettes now compared to those sold decades ago.


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Post subject: Re: Have You Seen Jimi and Janis Lately?
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:15 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
Not something that should be celebrated on a stamp since that tends to send the wrong message and some of the responses here are proof of that.

George Washington = Slave owner. Is it celebrating his slave-owning lifestyle if we have him on a US stamp? :|

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Post subject: Re: Have You Seen Jimi and Janis Lately?
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:49 pm
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Not something that should be celebrated on a stamp since that tends to send the wrong message and some of the responses here are proof of that.

George Washington = Slave owner. Is it celebrating his slave-owning lifestyle if we have him on a US stamp? :|


Sorry, but that's a ludicrous analogy.

At the time, slave ownership was LEGAL !

The controlled substances each of these musicians used was not.

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Post subject: Re: Have You Seen Jimi and Janis Lately?
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:52 pm
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I guess you could see it that way.

But FWIW, not everything that's illegal is wrong and not everything that's legal is right. As mentioned before, tobacco is legal. Why? What redeeming quality does it possess?

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Post subject: Re: Have You Seen Jimi and Janis Lately?
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:04 pm
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Tobacco, 1 of the most dangerous substances to ingest, 2nd only to alcohol. Nicotine, the active chemical in tobacco has a unique characteristic. In some people it can act as a psychic stimulant, the reason why those smokers will reach for a cigarette or cigar or pipe or chew etc.

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Post subject: Re: Have You Seen Jimi and Janis Lately?
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:13 pm
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The other US government approved drug of choice. :roll: From www.cancer.gov:

Tobacco Facts

Tobacco is the leading cause of preventable illness and death in the United States. It causes many different cancers as well as chronic lung diseases, such as emphysema and bronchitis, and heart disease.[1]

Cigarette smoking causes an estimated 443,000 deaths each year, including approximately 49,000 deaths due to exposure to secondhand smoke.

Lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer death among both men and women in the United States, and 90 percent of lung cancer deaths among men and approximately 80 percent of lung cancer deaths among women are due to smoking.

Smoking causes many other types of cancer, including cancers of the throat, mouth, nasal cavity, esophagus, stomach, pancreas, kidney, bladder, and cervix, and acute myeloid leukemia.

People who smoke are up to six times more likely to suffer a heart attack than nonsmokers, and the risk increases with the number of cigarettes smoked. Smoking also causes most cases of chronic obstructive lung disease.

In 2011, an estimated 19 percent of U.S. adults were cigarette smokers.

Nearly 16 percent of high school students smoke cigarettes.

An estimated 7.3 percent of high school students use smokeless tobacco.


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It would be quicker to list the US presidents who didn't smoke. But it was and is legal, so I guess it sends a good message to put notorious tobacco abusers on stamps.

Ulysses S. Grant (1869-1877)
Ulysses S. Grant Ulysses S Grant was not known to use drugs, but he did smoke a great deal. During one battle of the Civil War, it was said that he smoked twenty cigars in one day. Grant also was reported to be a heavy drinker. Eventually, Grant died of throat cancer.

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Post subject: Re: Have You Seen Jimi and Janis Lately?
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:28 pm
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strings10927, that information is very disturbing and sad, a dichotomy in which something that brings a pleasant reaction to it's users can also cause their death. Moderation and a healthy lifestyle I'm guessing then hope one doesn't become affected by any of those deadly after effects.

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Post subject: Re: Have You Seen Jimi and Janis Lately?
Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 10:28 am
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First off, I want to say that I believe in free thought, free speech, and free choice when it does not harm directly or indirectly others. Having said this, it would mean that each person is the architect of their own fortune . . . but, some are weak and some need guidance, and some are simply taken advantage of.

I may have mentioned that I met Janis on her tour across Canada. It was plain to see she was warm and friendly to those she trusted; but, she was aware of those who were insincere, and those who loved her only for her fame. In short she was messed up.

Her manager pointed her way, during an interview, and said to me that she wouldn't last the year if she stayed on the same path of destruction. I was very sad when she died a few months later. I honestly liked the real Janis.

Here's a case where others took notice, and desired to help or at least alert the person that needed to be helped. We all lost something and someone that day.

It happens far too often, for whatever reason, and whatever the poison. IMHO.

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Post subject: Re: Have You Seen Jimi and Janis Lately?
Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 3:36 pm
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In the 1960s they were reviled by the mainstream as counterculture hippie freaks. Today the US government considers them musical icons, and is issuing these commemorative stamps. Is this awesome, or what?
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If the government thinks they are icons hows come weed is still illegal. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Have You Seen Jimi and Janis Lately?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 3:57 pm
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Speaking of them, I wonder if they ever did meet and have something more... uh... profound, so to speak, or if it was just small talk...

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Post subject: Re: Have You Seen Jimi and Janis Lately?
Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 12:00 am
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Those were a couple of the original hippies. The attraction to hippie-itus if you will, was the attitude of free love and love of music, when ever where ever I'm readyness was pervasive (not perverse :lol: ) in the early days and people mostly very young which does rhyme with fun, for awhile anyway. So yeah, if you vibe'd with someone you probably got it on right quick. :lol: 8)

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Post subject: Re: Have You Seen Jimi and Janis Lately?
Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 8:07 am
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T2Stratman wrote:
Yes, both were great artists, and I liked a lot of their music, but both were also very much drug addicts...that did themselves in with said drugs. Not sure that we should put them onto stamps. Just another side to this coin and this also says something about where our society is and not in a good way.

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While everyone is entitled to their own opinions - mine is that personally I can't help but feel that such a comment demonstrates some SERIOUSLY screwed up priorities.

I absolutely have to agree with the many responses to this comment in that whether or not someone chooses to use/abuse various substances, really has NOTHING to do with how their music should be celebrated (including that of postage stamps). Hendrix and Joplin (and MANY others) were drug users...so? Are tunes such as "Little Wing" or "Piece of my Heart" any less classic just because these artists used drugs (and/or booze)? For that matter, how many of those tunes were written (or performed) while under the influence...would any of us even know "Little Wing" had Hendrix not of been a drug user? Jimi Hendrix has had a profound influence on generations of guitar players over the past 40 years, why should it matter AT ALL whether he used drugs? I mean seriously...how the hell does one say that someone like Jim Hendrix doesn't deserve to be on a postage stamp simply because he was a drug user???

As far as saying something about "where our society is", while this is strictly my own personal opinion, if you consider the other truly horrific problems this country and this planet currently face - global climate change, corrupt governments and political leaders, poverty, war, greed, pollution, religion, etc., etc., etc., then a given musical artist's use of drugs (or alcohol), SHOULD be completely and utterly trivial, if not totally irrevlevant in comparison. In this country alone, how does one even begin to attribute sociological issues to the drug use of famous musicians when you stop and consider that there are people who don't have the money to buy food or can't even get the most basic medical care simply because they can't afford it? Sorry, but there are FAR greater issues than substance use in today's society that people SHOULD be concerned with.

Whether it's drugs, alcohol, gambling, religion, cigarettes, etc., as a great man once said, "All kind of crosses we got to deal with in life". Yes, it's a shame when someone "does themselves in" with their vices, however that should NEVER be used as some pathetic attempt to try and invalidate a given individual's accomplishments, let alone suggest such people and their accomplishments shouldn't be celebrated in the form of a postage stamp.


Again people are entitled to their own opinion, however it's really sad that someone felt some insane need to try and discredit legendary individuals like Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix simply because of their substance use.


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