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What type amp do you take to a gig?
Non-modeling amp, Tube or SS, w/ cabinet 40%  40%  [ 12 ]
Modeling Amp w/ cabinet (Mustang and like) 27%  27%  [ 8 ]
Modeling Amp wo/ cabinet (footswitch or rack etc.) 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Non-modeling amp w/modeling pedal(s) and FX 13%  13%  [ 4 ]
Other 17%  17%  [ 5 ]
Total votes : 30
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Post subject: Modeling or non modeling for gigging.
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:07 pm
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Hello, I am a new user and am curious as to the breakdown of modeling vs non modeling amps being used for actual giging, not at home or studio work.


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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:46 pm
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I use a Mustang III amp for Gigging. I like it. I've used tube amps for years... but, I find the Mustang to be much easier to use live than any of the tube amps I've used over the years.

Volume isn't an issue... I can set the amp as loud... or low as I want it... and it sounds great. Tube amps can be too loud... I've experienced that problem many times over the years. Never have had that problem using the Mustang. The other thing I like a lot is that you can run a line directly out of the Mustang into a channel on the PA. Works better than micing IMO... easier... no fuss with mic placement or bleed issues.

The amp is also versatile... I have loads of great tones from High Gain... to Crunchy... to Overdriven Tube tones... to super clean. Very happy using this amp... it does everything I need it to and it's in a fairly lightweight package (apprx 30 pounds)... and has plenty of power if I want to crank it up loud. Frankly, I haven't had to push the Master volume past about 6 to have a HUGE stage volume if I want that... the amp kicks $@! :D

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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:23 pm
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I use my Vox AD60VTX more than my Egnator Renegade. I think the Egnator sounds better, but the Vox is more convenient and I can usually get the tones I need from it.

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Sorry, I am not one for the modeling thing and gigs were a guitar, chord, a wha, and an amp. But I could see depending on the music you play where it could come in handy, just might be a lot of work up front to get those things stored and sorted for your sets.

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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:53 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
But I could see depending on the music you play where it could come in handy, just might be a lot of work up front to get those things stored and sorted for your sets.

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No doubt about that. I spend a lot of time creating presets for each song. Sometimes two per song. Then I tweak them at rehearsal, because everything changes once the drummer comes in. :D
But for covers, I think it's worth it. I play better when I've got a tone close to the way a song was recorded.

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I rely on vintage Fender tube amps for their predictable performance and traditional reliability while driving them with a Zoom G1X digital amp simulator. A Radial Bigshot A/B/Y pedal provides the amp with modern channel-switching capability.

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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 8:59 pm
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Just a tube amp a couple pedals and guitar works good for me. I wouldn't know what to do with a modeling amp. Too confusing for me.


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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:11 pm
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Depends on the gig. If you can crank it up, tubes are the way to go.


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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:55 pm
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I vote for Fender tube amps and pedals.
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Post subject: Re: Modeling or non modeling for gigging.
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:09 pm
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Something like a Mustang III is loud enough for just about any venue unless you're playing at some huge concert hall, and even then you would just get mic'd up and problem solved. There really isn't a need for tube amps nowadays. You be sure that the person listening won't care if you're playing through some boutique tube amp or a phone amp app.

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As a bass guitarist, high watt heads and big heavy speaker cabs are the option for live gigs.

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Post subject: Re: Modeling or non modeling for gigging.
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:49 pm
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1neeto wrote:
... There really isn't a need for tube amps nowadays...


Can't agree with this statement.

Are there good SS Amps and decent Modeling Amps... Sure there are.

Can they get the job done ? Of course.

Are they conveneient and offer many tools in a small package? You bet... but at some compromise.

But, there are Tones and nuances that a Tube Amp has that these others can only imitate, and imitate at less than 100%.

I'm sure you're aware of the growing appreciation of analog music on LPs because it has more 'Life' (for lack of a better word) than digitally mastered music.

One applicable analogy would be the advance in modern cars with 'Driver's Aids' - ABS, Traction Control, etc.

These make poor or average Drivers better, but are a hindrance to truly skilled ones. In fact, several manufacturers offer 'defeats' or deactivate modes to these systems.

Tube Amps can be worked by a skilled musician in ways a modeling amp never could to make an even better sound. Whether the audience appreciates it or not, is really not the point. The Player knows and their playing has fewer limits.

Both are here to stay, and both have their place.

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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:35 am
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I've been a gigging musician for almost 50 years now and I would say the modeling amp is probably the single most important and useful innovation to come along in that time for true working musicians. When I say gigging musician I mean someone that plays every single week of the year, and when you do that reliability is a major factor. Tube amps and pedal effects are volatile beasts. Tubes are delicate as are the electrical connections and you can be assured they WILL break when getting moved around constantly. Pedal effects less so, but still can be a problem. As a gigging musician it's up to you to make sure everything is in working order when you show up, and you really can't afford a lot of time spent messing with your equipment either before or during a show. Everyone in the band has now converted over to modeling amps for the guitars and solid state amps for the bass for this reason. It's reliable and the sound is predictable..we sound the same every time we play, and that's critically important.

We can go on and on over tube amp "warmth" and that discussion will never be resolved, because it's subjective. But ultimately gigging is a business, and you have to make the best non-subjective business decision if you intend to endure and be successful in the business. Modeling amps are far and away the most cost-effective way of providing a reliable and inherently versatile amp for doing what needs to be done in your business. And the undeniable fact is, 99% of your audience has no idea about whether you're using a modeling amp or a tube amp.

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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:39 am
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I voted "Non-modeling amp w/modeling pedal(s) and FX".

I don't consider a Fender Ultimate Chorus a 'modeling' amp, though it DOES have the Chorus effect built in IF you wanna use it. I DO use it 100% of the time when I use that amp. I also have hooked to it a Behringer VT999 Vintage Tube Monster---just for a slight tube scream, and to act as a foot switch to bounce from clean to dirty.

I like the Chorus effect so much, I bought a Fender Chorus effects pedal to hook up to my Hot Rod DeVille as well.

I bought a Podals Blooze Machine a couple years ago to use with my Tele...but I seldom play the Tele any more, and the pedal just sits there. Can't seem to find a use for it with the Strat's.


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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:47 am
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tbazzone wrote:
Just a tube amp a couple pedals and guitar works good for me. I wouldn't know what to do with a modeling amp. Too confusing for me.
LOL! I missed this. I completely concur! I had a Vox VT30 once (got a great deal on it), and it had like 122 different options---maybe I'm an idiot or simpleton, but I HATED that amp, and couldn't get rid of it fast enough, only setting I liked was "off".


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